How do I remove This??

Matrix733 · Post by **Matrix733** » June 22nd, 2007, 3:46 pm

Hello fellows, I was 108 miles from home when my mx3 just shutdown. i pull off the road and low and below my timing belt was off the cam staring at me.

I then noticed that the idler/tensioner pulley was just dangling. The bolt that held it in place broke off clean and I don't exactly know the best way to approach getting the piece in the block off.

Look at the pick below. Any ideas and or suggestion is very much appreciated.

Thanks
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Matrix733 · Post by **Matrix733** » June 22nd, 2007, 6:24 pm

Well, my idea goes like this (have'nt tried it yet)

wear down a dremel cutting disc very small
try to use the dremel and put a slot in the broken screw
remove with flat head screw driver

easier said than done

lakersfan1 · Post by **lakersfan1** » June 22nd, 2007, 8:56 pm

If memory serves, that bolt's in there with 20 ft/lbs of torque. Doubt you'd get it out with a screwdriver.

Aside from removing the head and taking it to a machine shop, I think you're screwed.

cerian_ca · Post by **cerian_ca** » June 22nd, 2007, 9:19 pm

you can try a left hand drill bit, it's about 3 bucks, be sure to punch the center of your bolt b4 drilling.

babyblueMX3 · Post by **babyblueMX3** » June 22nd, 2007, 10:37 pm

OMG
mechanic's worst nightmare right there

No place to work and that screw didn't left any contact point

What I would try is to grind 2 notches on each side of the bolt and use a pair of vicegrip on it

Matrix733 · Post by **Matrix733** » June 23rd, 2007, 2:28 am

thanks for the advice fellows, will give this a go in a few and let you all know how it turns out.

I would really hate to pull the engine again, it would be number three in a year, lol.

PATDIESEL · Post by **PATDIESEL** » June 24th, 2007, 1:44 am

If you can get to that straight on through the wheel well I would use a "easy out" bolt remover. You drill a hole in the center of the bolt, using a puch to make sure your bit doesn't "walk". Then insert the left threaded "easy out" and keep cranking until it pops out. I would soak it in liquid wrench a few times and let it sit for a few hours just to make sure the bolt comes out as easily as possible.
I would think that the tight space being too small for a drill is why no one suggested the easy out. They are the most common tool used for removing a sheared bolt. They are also easy to use and very effective. The problem is going to be making sure that your hole you drill in the bolt is straight on. If not you might drill through the bolt and into the head.

Tunes67 · Post by **Tunes67** » June 24th, 2007, 3:13 pm

I agree with Pat. Getting a drill in there would be tricky though.. so I suggest you use a Dremel tool with the flex shaft attachment & drill bit chuck. Wont be cheap to buy these tools if you dont have them already. But.. would still be cheaper and less work that removing the head and having a machine shop drill it out. Use a punch as Pat mentioned and then use the dremel to drill a hole down into the bolt. Then use the SCREW type easy outs not the lame square type (you will see the difference when you go to buy them) A bit of spray lube and that bolt should back out of there fairly easy. Best of luck.

(By the way.. the dremel trick.. I had to use that one on a oil pump bolt on my old subaru.. only way to drill without removing the engine in that car.. worked like a charm..)

Tunes67

PurpleDinosaur · Post by **PurpleDinosaur** » June 26th, 2007, 2:23 pm

3rd-ing the easy out recco...

and, unless I am off base (and please correct me if I am) the 20 ft lbs of torque is a non-issue since the head of the bolt is missing so the bolt is no longer in tension...

Tunes67 · Post by **Tunes67** » June 26th, 2007, 2:38 pm

and, unless I am off base (and please correct me if I am) the 20 ft lbs of torque is a non-issue since the head of the bolt is missing so the bolt is no longer in tension...

True.. but there could be corrosion in the bolt threads and if the bolt was actually bottomed out in the hole (unlikely I will admit) it could still be very tight in the hole.. even exceeding the 20 ft lbs.

Tunes67

Tunes67 · Post by **Tunes67** » June 26th, 2007, 5:05 pm

Here is a pic of a Easy out kit I got at sears some years back.. has never let me down. I broke a LOT of the square type easy outs before I found this set.

Just so you know what to look for at the tool store

Tunes67

Matrix733 · Post by **Matrix733** » June 27th, 2007, 7:07 am

thanks fellows, I have a dremel but I will have to get the flex attachment.

thanks for that pic Tunes67, will grab these sometime tomorrow but probably won't get to the car till next week.

all suggestions is greatly appreciated, hopefully i will get it out as am moving in a month and would like to drive this car and not tow it.