KLZE is here.. but ehh i dunno

hgallegos915 · Post by **hgallegos915** » September 5th, 2006, 10:19 pm

Well got the engine.. was nicely wrapped. eee the heads and cams are clean for a supposebly 60ish mile engine. The spark plugs where wet but from oil from the oil gasket however they where BLACK.. like if the engine was running rick. The cams are clean no scratches .. seem ok.. I dont know about this engine. It is a kl01 cammed ze with kl31 heads and no egr. it came with all accessories. Has a start up warranty and 90 days. Anyt way of telling if engine is bad BEFORE i install it? if its bas im simply driving to their door and getting a replacement there and then..

solo_ryder · Post by **solo_ryder** » September 5th, 2006, 10:22 pm

Man I got my ZE and the plugs were black to, I assumed it was running rich. Probably city driving, swapped the plugs out and ran the motor. No oil burn after 5k the plugs were orange and yellow

I ripped the shat out of it and it cleaned it all up. It should be ok.

I always think that as long as the valvetrain is clean then the motor should be OK, because lengthy oil changes and a motor that uses oil usually has tarnished valvetrains. Good luck

hgallegos915 · Post by **hgallegos915** » September 5th, 2006, 10:26 pm

u make me feel better

so should i expect for it to burn oil for the first few k miles? The company did give me a full start up warranty and 90 days.. the oil was not black but sorta brownish. Cams are sorta clean but not as clean as my kfze (cant compare 30k cams to over 60 thousand mile ones) exhaust ports where black, the intake manifold seems a bit dirty from the inside (from running rich probably) I think tomorrow Il opening up the oil pan and checking the bottom end. what do u suggest?

solo_ryder · Post by **solo_ryder** » September 6th, 2006, 1:15 am

No man, I started mine up, no smoke. Got some pics of the plugs? That can help determine what has happened there.

1992blazeredgs · Post by **1992blazeredgs** » September 6th, 2006, 10:25 am

If you are really concerned with the condition of the motor, put her up on the stand and pull the oil pan and inspect. You could even go so far as to pull the heads and inspect the piston and valve conditions. Doing this would insure yourself of the condition of your motor and would also allow you to replace some very important gaskets giving you further peice of mind. What other maintenance do you have planned before you put the motor in your mx-3??

Nate

hgallegos915 · Post by **hgallegos915** » September 6th, 2006, 5:24 pm

im afreaid of taking the heads appart..what if i cant out them back up lol

i will remove the oil pan and replace the gasket. The plugs are black but not with tar as with other old engines are in. They got wet when i pulled them. The tip is black like if it was running rich. They look old. Seems like a high milleage engine. The heads are clean but got a golden look to them. Ill pull the oil pan and post pics. Ill see about opening the heads..im scared there. I may have to replace timing belt and i got a new water pump.

Ok update..took out the pvc valve and you can freely blow trough it so im sure theres the problem for intake manifold having oil. Ill check the exhaust valves in a bit for oil traces. And then to open the pil pan.

hgallegos915 · Post by **hgallegos915** » September 6th, 2006, 6:43 pm

sorry to bump this thread . ok pulled exhaust manifolds and looked at valves and they are CLEAN. Im suprised how clean they are. Thy are cleaner than my k8. So i guess it was a bad pvc system that caused the oil in tehre inthe first place

ill begin install next week. It should be fun and eazy.

solo_ryder · Post by **solo_ryder** » September 6th, 2006, 7:48 pm

Ur such a harcore swapper that if it ran bad you could have it back out in one day to go meet the guy.

Vanished · Post by **Vanished** » September 6th, 2006, 8:40 pm

This is a good thread...I just got a KLZE and i'll be taking it aparts soon as well. Out of curiosity tho, i found a Gasket kit on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.ca/MAZDA-MILENIA-626-MX ... dZViewItem

worth it or not?

hgallegos915 · Post by **hgallegos915** » September 6th, 2006, 9:08 pm

hmm hey it has a internal coil diustributor.... WTH?... no egr... head codes read kl 31 iai something like that.. round runner... distributor is BIG the connectors are sdifferent from the k8 and kf ecu... it reads KF31 ?? wth (something like that) has millenia 110 amp alt. Harness cant tell it was chopped.. has ONE coolant sensor. The cap ahs some japanese letters. cams kl-01 . anyone? is this a millenia de? a weird kf? oh block does notread ze tho.. it says KL something...

PATDIESEL · Post by **PATDIESEL** » September 6th, 2006, 9:13 pm

Wow that is a nice gasket set and a great price. I might buy one of those just for the future.
I wouldn't take the heads off, if you go that far you are close to rebuilding it anyway. Also, if you mess something up it is just more money. If the exhaust valves are clean, the pistons look clean from the spark plug hole and there is no build-up of old oil under the cam cover than you are fine. I'd spray some WD-40 in the sprak plug hole, just to lube things a tad on start-up, then turn it off after a minute of running and squirt a few drops of water in each cylinder. It will basically steam clean the combustion chamber. (no more than 4 drops or the expansion of the steam can cause issues) For the dirty intake manifold I'd remove it and clean it out by taking it apart and cleaning it with some carb cleaner or brake parts cleaner. It will run with a better idle if the intake and TB are not gooked up.
One of those gasket kits looks like a great idea. It saves you from having to remember to buy the water pump gasket with the pump (some come with it some don't) and other things like the disty gasket, intake gasket, TB gasket and such. As for the oil pan gasket I always use gasket maker (liberally). It seals better on an old oil pan than the factory gasket. Granted it is a bit messier, but if you tighten the pan down and leave the gasket maker to dry before you try and remove the excess it is alot easier. It will be a bead and not a flattened mess and all you have to do is run a razor blad around the edge to shave the excess bead off.
Just for a refresher I'd read my "ZE swap for dummies" page. It will remind you of the parts you need to replace and the ones that need to be checked. Good luck with the, what is it now 4th 5th engine

atlantamx3 · Post by **atlantamx3** » September 6th, 2006, 9:40 pm

That is THE MOST COMPLETE Gasket kit I have ever seen.

And a DAMN GOOD price.

hgallegos915 · Post by **hgallegos915** » September 6th, 2006, 9:50 pm

disty kf38? wth is that.. maybe they pulled it and sold the klze disty?

was using search and all posts indicate it is a true klze. No egr kl31 codes, curvefd neck mani w/ square runner. kl-01 cams . One coolant sensor... HUGE disty with 6 plugs and not 7..

oddly ..it has THIS distributor..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-95-2 ... dZViewItem

also everyone swears kl31 odes are for 2000 millenia.. and some dont..

PATDIESEL · Post by **PATDIESEL** » September 6th, 2006, 11:57 pm

You said it was a DE with ZE heads right. Then the disty could very well be from a DE. As for the codes, I have seen NA Millineas with the ZE head codes. So it is true, they are a version of the ZE even if in heads only. They have lower compression pistons, internal coil disties and Millinea intakes still though.

hgallegos915 · Post by **hgallegos915** » September 7th, 2006, 12:16 am

no i tought it was a real ze

aww this bites

i dont want it no more... why does it not have an egr? i tought newer millenias also had an egr..i am being told this came from eunos 800 jdm car?....