Slammed6

jschrauwen · Post by **jschrauwen** » February 23rd, 2006, 3:04 pm

http://www.mx-3.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=47890
Attached thread will give history and creedance behind feedback.
Package for gauges came with all of the gauges in very poor condition, ie dirty, greasy, scratch, dulled , rubbed etc. It was quite amazed how gauges could get that way since it's usually a one time install effort. How can they appear to have such wear and tear UNLESS!!!! I'm not the second owner, although I thought I asked if he got these brand new. At any rate, it was a big letdown and dissappointment and may have to scrap most of them if unable to restore to reasonable shape. There was obviously no care or diligence observed when package gauges since they need to be protected from sharp hit and bangs to retain it's internal mechanical integrity. All of the gauges were placed loosely in a box without one sheet of paper, or plastic or bubble wrap or newspaper -ABSLOUTELY NOTHING. All tne gauges were left to bounce and crash against each other loosely inside the box from the west coast usa to eastern canada - that's a lot of bouncing ...LOL. It was deffinitely a clear indication on the shippers part that they were not concerned with the care of packing or shipping. Not so much as a kleenex to wrap or protect any part. There were absolutely no instructions, no correct connectors/connections nothing. I believe I made a big error on this one and should have trusted my gut feeling when I started getting the stall routine. I hope other were more successfull with dealing with slammed6 than I was. Can't say I would recommend any parts to be sold or bought from him. Perhaps I should have went with my initial notion and sourced from ebay. I would have payed a bit more but would not have recived the same sort of diss-service or poor product.

Dali · Post by **Dali** » February 23rd, 2006, 4:16 pm

yah, that is pretty crappy. i was looking at them but i thought i might as well get them from work here and have new with warrenty, i paid a little more but know they work. if you used paypal you might be able to get some of your money back, or thre the credit card company.

relisys_3200 · Post by **relisys_3200** » February 24th, 2006, 11:48 am

ooo, raw deal J-Beef. Hopefully you some of this gets straightened up. Maybe some money back or somehting? I figurued for your set up you were going to go with some nice sexy guages anyways.
oh and is it your looking for black face gauges?

2fazed · Post by **2fazed** » February 24th, 2006, 2:08 pm

Damn!! John, you and Cali sellers don't mix. I guess you need to stay away from us, lol.

jschrauwen · Post by **jschrauwen** » February 24th, 2006, 4:01 pm

relisys_3200 wrote:ooo, raw deal J-Beef. Hopefully you some of this gets straightened up. Maybe some money back or somehting? I figurued for your set up you were going to go with some nice sexy guages anyways.
oh and is it your looking for black face gauges?

Thanks Brandon. Ya, abit of a letdown would put it mildly. It took over 2 months to finally get the deal sorted which in itself should have been an indication that this was an iffy venture. Trying to recieve some sort of compensation at this point would be ludicrous. His past business habits don't reflect that sort of integrity.
They're all black face instruments and it's just that I can't for the life of me understand how gauges could get into such a sad looking state since it's basically open box and install in proper pillar or dash mount using the prescibed 2 1/16" mounting unit. Gauges I've always seen are almost never rubbed , blurred, scratched, dirtied, greasy and oily. Perhaps a bit faded from sun exposure, but other than that I just don't understand it. I'm going to hope I can get the necessary documentation from Autometer, but again this shouldn't happen between members on this BB. I would never dump a bunch of electrical components/devices without giving some sort of paperwork with it. Be it the original paperwork or even just a word document briefly explaining
the correct wiring config and or correct identification of the binding posts on the back of the gauges. Not one bit of reference material was provided. I don't consider myself an electrical noob nor am I a wiz either. But give me some ballpark directions or schematics and I can make it happen. I do know enough electrical wise that you can't approach it as a "well let's try this and see". That's just asking for trouble or worse, permanently damaging the meter's internals.

2fazed wrote:Damn!! John, you and Cali sellers don't mix. I guess you need to stay away from us, lol.

LOL, I never really put the 2 together. But then again, maybe I shouldn't mention about the alternator deal on Probetalk that went south also. Somewhere out in the great American mid-west postal system is an alternator looking for a home ...LOL. I haven't even openned the headlight box yet .... the heart's not strong enough for that one yet. Gotta work myself up to that one ...LOL. How come I can spot a shady deal when it happens to others and not to myself???? I must be blinded to the obvious in my quest for acquisition. Hey, I like that!!!! ....LOL

"I must be blinded to the obvious in my quest for acquisitions."

Tunes67 · Post by **Tunes67** » February 24th, 2006, 4:51 pm

Best to get gauges new anyway man.. Problem with second hand gauges is that you just never know what they went through. Unless you know their complete history.. new is always best. I wish they werent so spendy though. :S Hope this works out for you man

Tunes67

ccreech · Post by **ccreech** » February 25th, 2006, 12:39 am

Has he contacted you since you received the gauges? I have seen him post here since your first post in this thread and he has not responded to this yet. What a raw deal. I shipped out a intermediate shaft this week and I packed the box full of plastic...and that is indestructable metal. What kind of idiot ships fragile, easily scratched, gauges loose in a box?

mx3autozam · Post by **mx3autozam** » February 25th, 2006, 3:23 am

Tunes67 wrote:Best to get gauges new anyway man.. Problem with second hand gauges is that you just never know what they went through. Unless you know their complete history.. new is always best. I wish they werent so spendy though. :S Hope this works out for you man

Tunes67

who really cares what they went through. If they work and seem acurate, and condition is good. whats the problem then.
But if there not good and the guy packaged them with nothing but a box. thats pathetic

John

Tunes67 · Post by **Tunes67** » February 25th, 2006, 10:44 am

who really cares what they went through. If they work and seem acurate, and condition is good. whats the problem then.

And when your engine overheats because your temp gauge seemed accurate.. garaunteed thats when you will really care. I dont know about you.. but I rely on my gauges to give me accurate information. If my oil pressure drops.. I want to know.. Your gauges really should be considered an investment in engine insurance.. not just to look good. Heck why not just buy the cheapy set at walmart for $15 bucks.. I am sure they will seem accurate.

Tunes67

Slammed6 · Post by **Slammed6** » February 25th, 2006, 2:35 pm

Damn, you start a thread and wanna bash me without ever telling me what happened..ok..thats real mature.

First off, The gauges are used like i had said. And no, they are not messed up. No one had a scratched screen, and all are in working order. The only thing that was dirty was the EGT probe, and the Oil pressure sending unit. and no matter how clean u have them they will get dirty.

I'm sorry u thought u were getting these "Brand new" gauges.

And since u posted this i should really say that u were acting like a real a-- to me when i was dealing with you.

I told u a price and you did not agree, then that does no mean that u had dibbs on them. There was no agreement. But then when you saw others interested then u wanted to pay my price.

I really could care less now, u make it sound like i fucked u over, i have great feedback and never would ahve sold those gauges if they did not work correctly and were in decent condition.

Tunes67 · Post by **Tunes67** » February 25th, 2006, 2:48 pm

Sounds to me like the main complaint here is the way you shipped the gauges. No packaging to keep the gauges from bouncing all over the place.. what makes you think that its ok to package stuff thats going to be traveling 3000+ miles by just tossing the gauges in a box and putting a shipping label on it? Sorry if it think this is none of my business.. but John is a friend of mine. Ever heard of bubble wrap and packing paper or peanuts? I doubt John would have even complained about the condition if you had packed them properly to begin with. Gauges are calibrated components. Dropping them WILL damage them. They are delicately engineered devices that have specific tolerances. By packaging them the way you did for shipping that far.. you likely destroyed any accuracy the gauges might have had. I find it amazing that folks in general have such a cavalier attitude towards automotive gauges to begin with, let alone think that they will work just fine after using them as ping pong balls.

Tunes67

Slammed6 · Post by **Slammed6** » February 25th, 2006, 2:59 pm

yeah i read that, I was shipping out like 10 boxes, and "thought" i had them packaged up properly, but apparently i didn't...that is my bad, and i did not know they were like that. But its not like i did it on purpose.

And either way, he could have told me wassup with the packaging and got a response before doing this here. But i wouldn't expect anything less from him. Like i said the attitude he was giving me, i kinda figured he would talk some s---.

jschrauwen · Post by **jschrauwen** » February 25th, 2006, 8:22 pm

Slammed6 wrote:yeah i read that, I was shipping out like 10 boxes, and "thought" i had them packaged up properly, but apparently i didn't...that is my bad, and i did not know they were like that. But its not like i did it on purpose.
And either way, he could have told me wassup with the packaging and got a response before doing this here. But i wouldn't expect anything less from him. Like i said the attitude he was giving me, i kinda figured he would talk some shat.

Exactly what was Slammed6 going to do after the fact anyway? There was an obvious reason why I attached the accounting thread. I believe if one was to go through ALL of it, it will be obviously clear that I constantly made the persuing posts and questions that were at best, passively responded to. I'm sure people are aware of the term "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" Interpretation, it would be fruitless to persue a reasonable conclusion to this as I don't have the time, inclination or patience to go through the hoops and the song and dance. As it's quite obvious that Slammed6 admits to an error on his part for the inadequate packing yet offered no viable resolution to his shortcommings. I'm not surprised. I did however notice that he completely negated to address the shape and condition of the instruments or even to clarify if I'm the 3rd or 4th or whatever owner. Statements of ommission are in themselves a statement liken to culpability. As I said earlier it wasn't so much that the instuments were in sucha sad state, and I already queried as to how any gauge can get so scuffed up, scratched up, rubbed and just plain filthy is beyond me. Helll when I got a set of sideskirts from a third party for gro I made a point of taking outside and washing them down completely and then wrapping them up and then making a homemade 6' box to ship them in. That's what we do for each other on this BB. We're more than just a BB name or handle and we just don't treat each other this way when it comes to buying and selling. Perhaps Slammed6 has a good feedback, cause I'm not sure. I looked back to previous posts for the last year and couldn't find one exclusively for him. Regardless of the past, I can only be concerned with the present. I believe that Slammed6 may take great exception to this account of events and has offered no reasonable explanation as to the circumstances surrounding other than the fact that "HE FORGOT". Forgot or not, he's still responsible for his actions or inactions - we all are. I don't think it's really necessary for me to take pics and post them of the instruments but if it will make the case I can do so. In future it would be necessary for me to demand pics of an item before hand and not have something like this occur again. Advertising the true nature and condition of the article would also be necessary. Not just used but, "well worn", well used", "discoloured", "faded", "serviceable but well used", - terms like this would be more appropriate since I fatally assumed that I was going to be the second owner of these instruments. It still hasn't been made clear by Slammed6 that he was the first time owner of these instruments or not.
Tunes has made the overwhelming statement in that the mere nature of the item and the way it was treated is the overriding factor here. Slammed6 can justify or rationalize these errors to no end and still does not remove the owness or responsibility on his part. As I said earlier, wrt my specific dealings in this matter - this is my feedback on this transaction - no more, no less.

Slammed6 · Post by **Slammed6** » February 25th, 2006, 9:33 pm

Whatever you say man. I was the original owner and the gauges were installed once, and only removed to send them to you.

I'm not gonna argue with you, the gauges were not messed up like i said. Look at probetalk.com, Mx-6.com, or ebay. I have had nothing but positive feedbacks. But i guess u think i like to screw people over. So once again thanks for just trying to make me out as a person that fucks everyone over...do what u want.

mx3autozam · Post by **mx3autozam** » October 12th, 2007, 10:38 am

Bought an LSD off the guy. Came very fast and looks to be good. I can't tell ya if its any good as it won't be in the car till spring, but i'm sure it works.lol Thanks Devin.

oh and I can't complain about the packaging it all seemed fine to me. wraped in cutton balls or whatever.

John