To ball bearing or not to ball bearing.....that is the ?

cjthor · Post by **cjthor** » July 20th, 2005, 2:32 am

I am looking to upgrade my t3 for something a bit larger and am not sure what to get. Is ball bearing worth it?

babyblueMX3 · Post by **babyblueMX3** » July 20th, 2005, 9:12 am

get a gt25/gt28

, well if you have the cash go for it.
IMO it is not necessary. If you size the right turbo you can get full boost in no time. i.e. I start boost at 3.5k and full boost at 4k. BB turbos couldn't do better than that.

BB turbos cost an arm and a leg. . .and the other arm

Josh · Post by **Josh** » July 20th, 2005, 10:58 am

Well talking to a lot of different people and some research, I find that typically a BB turbo will boost on average 300 to 500 rpm sooner than it’s none BB counter part. i hit 15 psi at about 2800 rpm now with the VJ14 hybrid. but like everyone else i would like to go bigger. and what i want to go with is a T3/T04E 60trim, Dual BB. im told that on the 1.6L it should boost at about 3500 RPM. i have found it for as low as 1300 bucks. wich isnt too bad, but still up there, but then i would need an exturnal waistgate, and downpipe. so an easy 2000 2500 dollars.

cjthor · Post by **cjthor** » July 20th, 2005, 4:56 pm

Josh wrote:Well talking to a lot of different people and some research, I find that typically a BB turbo will boost on average 300 to 500 rpm sooner than it’s none BB counter part. i hit 15 psi at about 2800 rpm now with the VJ14 hybrid. but like everyone else i would like to go bigger. and what i want to go with is a T3/T04E 60trim, Dual BB. im told that on the 1.6L it should boost at about 3500 RPM. i have found it for as low as 1300 bucks. wich isnt too bad, but still up there, but then i would need an exturnal waistgate, and downpipe. so an easy 2000 2500 dollars.

I already have an external wastegate. I was looking at turbochargers.com for a turbo and they seemed pretty reasonable. I was also looking at a te/t04E actually.....decisions decisions.....

cjthor · Post by **cjthor** » July 20th, 2005, 4:59 pm

like this one.
http://www.turbochargers.com/Turbos/Tur ... -T4-62.htm
or this one
http://www.modacar.com/products/Acura/I ... +Ball.html

babyblueMX3 · Post by **babyblueMX3** » July 20th, 2005, 5:09 pm

cjthor wrote:like this one.
http://www.turbochargers.com/Turbos/Tur ... -T4-62.htm
or this one
http://www.modacar.com/products/Acura/I ... +Ball.html

I'd get the t3/to4e. I have this one right now (57trim) and it is working like a charm for me.
Look on ebay sometime. I got mine there brand new for 350us

Josh · Post by **Josh** » July 21st, 2005, 10:56 am

Cjthor
did you try torquefreaks. they have some reasoonably priced turbo stuff. and they are located fairly close to you.

the cheepest T3/T04E i found was on Ebay. by some company. 1100 bran spankin new.

forcedairram · Post by **forcedairram** » July 21st, 2005, 11:58 am

Just buy a Mitsu motors 16G. Great turbo with awsome power and near perfect spool time. Being that our cars are so light you would be better off to delay spool time to around 3500-4000rpms. The extra momentum you gain by this delayed spool time drasticly reduces traction loss. I am making 220 hp at 10 pounds of boost on the 16g. And thats on the stock DSM sidemount and rubber hoses.

cjthor · Post by **cjthor** » July 21st, 2005, 12:51 pm

forcedairram wrote:Just buy a Mitsu motors 16G. Great turbo with awsome power and near perfect spool time. Being that our cars are so light you would be better off to delay spool time to around 3500-4000rpms. The extra momentum you gain by this delayed spool time drasticly reduces traction loss. I am making 220 hp at 10 pounds of boost on the 16g. And thats on the stock DSM sidemount and rubber hoses.

I was making that much power at 12psi with my T3 on my stock b6 engine. Lookin for mre now that I have a fully built motor.

forcedairram · Post by **forcedairram** » July 21st, 2005, 1:19 pm

the 16 g is capable of making over 300hp. and its cheap.

cjthor · Post by **cjthor** » July 21st, 2005, 3:51 pm

forcedairram wrote:the 16 g is capable of making over 300hp. and its cheap.

I actually want to stay with something that I dont have to change the manifold or the mount...

cjthor · Post by **cjthor** » July 21st, 2005, 4:49 pm

are these good prices?
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/price/M ... urbos_Only

cjthor · Post by **cjthor** » July 22nd, 2005, 4:14 pm

How does this look?
http://www.precisionturbo.net/turbochar ... ry_id=3026
part number SC-3431E

BuGS · Post by **BuGS** » July 22nd, 2005, 4:43 pm

I don't know why you guys are going with such big turbo's... There is only so much you can do in a straight line. Do any of you have any intentions of AutoX? I know Josh will after his AWD stuff but how about you cjthor? Are you pretty much all drag? I would think that would be kinda sad since you have all the Portland International AutoX stuff....

cjthor · Post by **cjthor** » July 22nd, 2005, 5:39 pm

BuGS wrote:I don't know why you guys are going with such big turbo's... There is only so much you can do in a straight line. Do any of you have any intentions of AutoX? I know Josh will after his AWD stuff but how about you cjthor? Are you pretty much all drag? I would think that would be kinda sad since you have all the Portland International AutoX stuff....

I might autox the car but right now its just for FUN!!!!!!! The one I am lookg at isnt THAT big.

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To ball bearing or not to ball bearing.....that is the ?

To ball bearing or not to ball bearing.....that is the ?

16G

Re: 16G

ok

Re: ok