Two revving engines, a nod ... a tragedy

David Coleman · Post by **David Coleman** » August 19th, 2002, 1:36 pm

I remember reading this article earlier this year. Very sad.

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Andrew_Pakula · Post by **Andrew_Pakula** » August 19th, 2002, 1:43 pm

Thanks for the link its good to hear an update on that story because so rarely do you ever hear updates on these sort of things.I wasn't originally going to reply to this because anything I will say will appear to come off as like support for racing even though I do not support racing in this form. However after talking to Jeff he said it was ok to post this.All that I would like to say is that it always takes two to race so both of the drivers knew of the possible consequences, however in this case there was passengers and they may not have had the chance to voice their opinion in their participation in it which is not fair to them and was wrong. It's too bad the passenger had to pay with their life over something they may not have had any choice in doing.This type of street racing is the "spur of the moment" kind of thing, all of the deaths mentioned from street racing are of this kind of "at the light" racing(at least in Toronto). At least in Toronto there has been no deaths from the more organized street racing, I am not saying that is better, all I am saying is that the media and police always mis-state and categorize both types of racing as the same which gives street racing such a bad name.Consider this for a moment, it states 18 people have died in the past 4 years from street racing. That is really bad, but so many more people have died from Drunk driving in that period of time which is even worse. The police spend tons more money on fighting streeting racing mean while way more people are dieing from Drunk drivers. Seems to me their priorities are a bit off.Yes street racing is bad and can and does have horrible consequences however I don't see it any worse than people who drink and drive yet police seem to focus less on those people who end up killing way more then people who race.Just for the record, I don't street race, I am just sick and tired of hearing all the mis-information, facts and truths about the stuff you hear on the news and the media.Going back to what I said in the beginning, it is so rare to see follow up articles on stories like this, perhaps if the media did more follow up articles like this about the consequences of these type of actions then people might think twice about it.

92RedMX3 · Post by **92RedMX3** » August 19th, 2002, 3:33 pm

It is sad. I think the person killed wasn't any of the passangers but a kid walking home. Street racing would exist but these really big streetracing scenes would not exist if there were more local tracks for people. Like near DFW

92RedMX3 · Post by **92RedMX3** » August 19th, 2002, 3:48 pm

Without a doubt you are right. There is NEVER an excuse for it. I am just stating that in large city's the local goverments should consider a way to help make such a place so that kids and adults can go from saying I'll see you outside later, they will say I'll see you this weekend in front of everyone

. I don't streetrace and wont. I just wish there was a closer track to me then like 40 miles or more.

David Coleman · Post by **David Coleman** » August 19th, 2002, 4:00 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by 92RedMX3: Without a doubt you are right. There is NEVER an excuse for it. I am just stating that in large city's the local goverments should consider a way to help make such a place so that kids and adults can go from saying I'll see you outside later, they will say I'll see you this weekend in front of everyone

. I don't streetrace and wont. I just wish there was a closer track to me then like 40 miles or more.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>There are several nice drag strips and road courses in Texas, mostly in either Austin or DFW. When I go to the track, it's well over 50 miles. No big deal, just takes an hour to get there.

Andrew_Pakula · Post by **Andrew_Pakula** » August 19th, 2002, 4:15 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by 92RedMX3: It is sad. I think the person killed wasn't any of the passangers but a kid walking home. Street racing would exist but these really big streetracing scenes would not exist if there were more local tracks for people. Like near DFW<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I think that is one of the major problems with Toronto. There are no close drag strips in the area, the only ones near by are 1.5 to 2 hours away. It is sort of a catch-22 though, the cops and people who live in race areas say take it to the track yet when someone tries to open a new drag strip closer in the area all the local politicians and residents put a stop to it because they don't want a drag strip in their neighbourhood so they always use noise laws to kill it which is why they are hipocrites.

92RedMX3 · Post by **92RedMX3** » August 19th, 2002, 4:27 pm

David,I did a search and for texas DFW area there are 2 tracks. 1 is Ennis that is a 1/4 mile which is the one I am talking about. And 1 in Denton that is supposed to be a 1/8 mile.For a young guy in DFW those are quite far. That is why a few hundred or more meet in various areas of Dallas for streetraces. I went once before I got married which was just short of 3 years ago and have never been back since. Like I said It is wrong but it could be reduced.The kids in question are just stupid to race in an area that was so small alone other than the fact that they raced in public anyway. I can honestly say that I don't know how to feel about their punishment.

lazzyie · Post by **lazzyie** » August 19th, 2002, 5:06 pm

so sad, fact being that people most of our ages(males 18-40) like to speed, you are right jeff a vehicle is a deadly weapon people should remember that more often

Andrew_Pakula · Post by **Andrew_Pakula** » August 19th, 2002, 5:57 pm

Jeff, it's alright I always respect your opinion.Sorry I miss-read the article, in the back of my mind I though I remember it being the passenger that died but I guess I was wrong.As for the money issues too be honest I don't know the exact figures about how much they put into this over anti-drinking and driving programs however I do know in the GTA/York region area they have put a lot more money info anti-street racing programs over the last 2 years. There is a current program on now called P.A.C.E.R. which is in effect. They also still use the York Region Helicopter and have a variety of non-standard police undercover cars for the sole purpose of cracking down on street racing.In my own experience I question how effective the R.I.D.E. program is, I never driven with anything to drink or have ever been stopped bt Ride but I know of friends who have been over the legal limit and have been stopped by ride in those instances they either couldn't tell they had something to drink or just let them go. So everytime I see their statistics from Ride I always can't help but wonder how many people actually get away with it, it's not a good thought. Ride however is something that should be done all year around, not just around Christmas time.As for how many officers patrol looking for street racers, it depends what area you are in. There aren't too many Toronto cops that do this, however in York Region it is a totally different story. It is quite common to see anywhere from 3-4 up to over 10 even cars trying to break up and disburst the huge gatherings in area of Woodbridge, Markham and even Mississauga. It depends on the night basically, some nights more cars out out then other nights.

David Coleman · Post by **David Coleman** » August 19th, 2002, 5:57 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by 92RedMX3: David,I did a search and for texas DFW area there are 2 tracks. 1 is Ennis that is a 1/4 mile which is the one I am talking about. And 1 in Denton that is supposed to be a 1/8 mile.For a young guy in DFW those are quite far. That is why a few hundred or more meet in various areas of Dallas for streetraces. I went once before I got married which was just short of 3 years ago and have never been back since. Like I said It is wrong but it could be reduced. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <A HREF="http://www.chasinracin.com/track-locator/usamap/tx/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.chasinracin.com/track-locator/usamap/tx/</A> Each Dot is a race track. Looks like there's 5 drag strips in the DFW area, and several road courses/ovals. <A HREF="http://www.chasinracin.com/track-locato ... ndex.shtml" TARGET=_blank>http://www.chasinracin.com/track-locato ... x.shtml</A> That's the main page, you'd be surprised how many race tracks are around that you don't know about...

92RedMX3 · Post by **92RedMX3** » August 19th, 2002, 6:07 pm

Those are all dirt oval's. There are no drag strips in dallas other than the speedway.

David Coleman · Post by **David Coleman** » August 19th, 2002, 6:15 pm

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