Page 1 of 2

KLZE installed, no fuel delivery...Fuel pump solenoid?

Posted: October 31st, 2003, 8:16 pm
by mx3man83
I'm kind of in a hurry so if anyone has any information please do tell. I am searching through the online shop manua but no luck as of yet. Is there some sort of fuel pump solenid that could have been disconnected or has failed?? My KLZE turns over but will not start. I pulled the gas line that connects both of the rails, it was bone dry. There is absolutely no fuel getting to the engine. I tested the actualy fuel pump itself like the online shop manual said to and it is still good, only problem it doesn't turn on. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Re: KLZE installed, no fuel delivery...Fuel pump solenoid?

Posted: October 31st, 2003, 8:23 pm
by jaydog5678
Check the fuse for the pump relay.

Did you switch to a new pump?

Re: KLZE installed, no fuel delivery...Fuel pump solenoid?

Posted: October 31st, 2003, 9:08 pm
by UrBaNsTyLe55
this may sound stupid but do you have any fuel in your tank, check to see that you have your fuel lines on correctly, and check the relay as well to the fuel pump, also check to see that the pump is gettin power, i said this same problem and the problem was my relay was bad :froggie_red: :werd:

Re: KLZE installed, no fuel delivery...Fuel pump solenoid?

Posted: October 31st, 2003, 9:25 pm
by mx3man83
After I posted I found where the relay was in the Online shop manual, but i dont think thats the problem. In my GS SE(one NOT KLZE), I can hear the fuel pump kick on when i attempt to start it, but this is not the case with my black one(KLZE). I switched both the relay and the pump over to my black one and still no go. What else tells the fuel pump to turn on? Could I have a problem with my vaccuum tubes, specifically the one to my FPR? I checked the manual and it's going exactly where it should be!! Very frustrating...I had no trouble with fuel delivery before my swap so I'm thinking it has to be something to do with the connections. Well, I do know of one connection that is not hooked up, only because it has nowhere to go. When i received my engine the little black solenoid things in the back( I think they are VRIS solenoids) were broken, so i had to jerry rig up some temporary tubes that I could stick where the ole had broken off. I think that one of the connectors was totally broken off, but its hard to tell because well, its gone, so i dont know what use to be there. Would this affect fuel delivery? I was thinking it would only affect the VRIS activity.

Re: KLZE installed, no fuel delivery...Fuel pump solenoid?

Posted: October 31st, 2003, 9:52 pm
by SimonPK
I know it may sound stupid but try reversing the 2 lines - it took me 2 days to figure that out when I did my swap!

Re: KLZE installed, no fuel delivery...Fuel pump solenoid?

Posted: October 31st, 2003, 11:12 pm
by Taras
In preparing for the swap, what did you do to ensure that the fuel system was empty? So you do not get fuel spraying everywhere?

Most people disconnect fuel pump connector while the car is running and that will pull the rest of the fuel from the fuel lines so you do not get showered when you disconnect them. So, did you check fuel pump connector under the rear seat.

Sounds like all of what's been mentioned are probable causes. Did you switch the ECU's? IfYes, then did you plug everything back in?

Good luck....

Re: KLZE installed, no fuel delivery...Fuel pump solenoid?

Posted: November 1st, 2003, 12:36 am
by mx3man83
Well I did have the lines reversed, but it still didn't start when i corrected them. For some reason it seems like alot of different places seem to be clicking when I hot wire the relays(the fuel injector and engine one). I took the relays out and hot wired them and it seems like they are working fine, well, at least they are clicking. I just can't seem to get the fuel pump to run! I'm going crazy....

Re: KLZE installed, no fuel delivery...Fuel pump solenoid?

Posted: November 1st, 2003, 3:54 am
by IanL
The relays may be clicking, but are their contactors making contact? You shouldn't take that for granted - check with a continuity tester.

Re: KLZE installed, no fuel delivery...Fuel pump solenoid?

Posted: November 1st, 2003, 9:41 am
by dewthis
I did the same thing when i did the swap had the lines reversed and it took several tries to get fuel flowing again. I would turn the key on and wait a few seconds then try to start it. Took several tries but it finally came to life. Check to see that you dont have a line pinched especially down aroun the filter.

Re: KLZE installed, no fuel delivery...Fuel pump solenoid?

Posted: November 1st, 2003, 2:27 pm
by mx3man83
This morning I hot wired the fuel pump with a jump starter box right at the pump, and the pump worked just fine. So I hooked it up and cranked it over and it fired right up. I guess it just needed more time to pump fuel through the lines, or maybe I had some sort of loose connection at the fuel pump. So it's in, working fine, but I am having issues hooking up the intake tube fitment since the angle on the IM is different than the k8 one. I will be putting the tires on in a few and take 'er for a test drive. I'll let you all know how it goes.

<small>[ November 01, 2003, 01:32 PM: Message edited by: mx3man83 ]</small>

Re: KLZE installed, no fuel delivery...Fuel pump solenoid?

Posted: November 1st, 2003, 6:21 pm
by mx3man83
Ok now some new issues have arisen. My oil light is on and it is starting to tap in the heads(I turned it off as soon as i heard it of course). I checked the oil and its just as full as it was when i topped it off. Also, my clutch doesn't disengage! I've got a feeling it's something to do with the clutch actuator and not the flywheel/clutch set up since it's just an OEM flywheel with an ACT clutch for the mx-3. When I was installing my new brake pads I had to squeeze the brake pistons so the caliper would fit back on the rotor, could this have anything to do with it? Before I did that my brake fluid was kind of low and afterwards it was to the top. Any suggestions would be appreciated, thanks.

<small>[ November 01, 2003, 05:25 PM: Message edited by: mx3man83 ]</small>

Re: KLZE installed, no fuel delivery...Fuel pump solenoid?

Posted: November 1st, 2003, 6:46 pm
by mx3man83
I just found out where the oil pressure switch is, well would that affect oil circulating or is that just a sensor? I'm going to go check the connections just in case.

Re: KLZE installed, no fuel delivery...Fuel pump solenoid?

Posted: November 1st, 2003, 6:48 pm
by Zoso124
Originally posted by mx3man83:
My oil light is on and it is starting to tap in the heads, Also, my clutch doesn't disengage! I had to squeeze the brake pistons so the caliper would fit back on the rotor, could this have anything to do with it?
1. Did you remember to connect the wire harnass back up next to the Alternator?
2. Lengthen the throw on rod on the pedal so when you depress the pedal the rod will go in futher to the clutch master cylinder.
3. No, you have to do this on almost every car when you change the brakes.

Re: KLZE installed, no fuel delivery...Fuel pump solenoid?

Posted: November 1st, 2003, 7:16 pm
by mx3man83
A little update...I'm convinced it's something to do with the flow of the brake fluid or the power brake fluid? Why? Well because I just found out my brakes do not work. The pedal feels exactly how it does when the car is off. What could cause this? I hooked the vaccum line up to the power brake unit, so it's not a vaccum issue...well, unless it's clogged or something.

Re: KLZE installed, no fuel delivery...Fuel pump solenoid?

Posted: November 1st, 2003, 10:47 pm
by Zoso124
Did you put the line on in the right direction going to the brake booster? there is a check valve in there to keep vaccum in the booster. Did you replace the clutch line or did you take the brake line off the caliper to some how get air into the system?