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Re: Finally suspension AaronTietje - 1993 MX-3 GS
Posted: July 29th, 2011, 4:23 pm
by wytbishop
AaronTietje wrote:Another thing to consider, if anyone is looking to do a big brake conversion, is the rims and their clearance to the calipers. Clearance was a major deciding factor in my picking the rota's.

I have done a lot of research on this trying to find an inexpensive way to get really awesome brakes. In order to do what he's done, you need to create clearance between the rotor and the stock mounting points of the caliper. This means either using a rotor which is very large in diameter (I think 12.5-13" would be required limiting you to 17" wheels minimum) to move the caliper away radially or a rotor with a much shallower hat (which I believe he has done with the Wilwood rotor) to move it out axially.
By moving the rotor away from the spindle axially like that he's putting it much closer to the wheel as he said. The rota's have those spokes that sort of bend out and they are 20mm offset (which moves the center of the wheel 20mm outboard as well) so they might clear the calipers but it's going to put a lot more strain on the wheel bearings having the wheels that far off the centerline of the bearing.
I'm not saying it won't work and I think your brake plan is pretty cool. But it is something to think about. I ultimately discarded this type of setup because it will require specific, expensive wheels and specific very expensive rotors on top of the already expensive calipers. I think it'll be awesome when it's done man, but I could never afford it.
Re: Finally suspension AaronTietje - 1993 MX-3 GS
Posted: July 29th, 2011, 4:42 pm
by AaronTietje
wytbishop wrote:AaronTietje wrote:Another thing to consider, if anyone is looking to do a big brake conversion, is the rims and their clearance to the calipers. Clearance was a major deciding factor in my picking the rota's.

I have done a lot of research on this trying to find an inexpensive way to get really awesome brakes. In order to do what he's done, you need to create clearance between the rotor and the stock mounting points of the caliper. This means either using a rotor which is very large in diameter (I think 12.5-13" would be required limiting you to 17" wheels minimum) to move the caliper away radially or a rotor with a much shallower hat (which I believe he has done with the Wilwood rotor) to move it out axially.
By moving the rotor away from the spindle axially like that he's putting it much closer to the wheel as he said. The rota's have those spokes that sort of bend out and they are 20mm offset (which moves the center of the wheel 20mm outboard as well) so they might clear the calipers but it's going to put a lot more strain on the wheel bearings having the wheels that far off the centerline of the bearing.
I'm not saying it won't work and I think your brake plan is pretty cool. But it is something to think about. I ultimately discarded this type of setup because it will require specific, expensive wheels and specific very expensive rotors on top of the already expensive calipers. I think it'll be awesome when it's done man, but I could never afford it.
Well put. It is a pricey set-up. I estimate the cost to final out at just under 1500 for the rims and brake set-up. (no tires) However, you can throw down almost that much on just the good old ksport BIG BRAKE kit.
I am running a very small hat that puts my rotor very close to the original rotor location. Also, my rims are a plus 10 offset and just barley fit under the car with camber and rolled fenders..
Re: Finally suspension AaronTietje - 1993 MX-3 GS
Posted: July 29th, 2011, 5:30 pm
by Josh
Aaron, nice work. That spoiler is looking great!
wytbishop:
PM me off Aarons WL and i can share some secrets about cheep brake setups that will clear 15" and 16" wheels, with more braking power than the car will ever need.

Re: Finally suspension AaronTietje - 1993 MX-3 GS
Posted: July 29th, 2011, 5:35 pm
by AaronTietje
Josh wrote:Aaron, nice work. That spoiler is looking great!
Thanks Josh. Did you make a decision on the bushings yet?
Re: The DAY OF PAINTING HAS COME AaronTietje - 1993 MX-3 GS
Posted: August 23rd, 2011, 12:48 pm
by AaronTietje
Re: The day of Paint finally came AaronTietje - 1993 MX-3 GS
Posted: August 23rd, 2011, 1:15 pm
by Josh
Nice Work! cant wait to see it all together. I love those wheels BTW
Re: The day of Paint finally came AaronTietje - 1993 MX-3 GS
Posted: August 23rd, 2011, 1:25 pm
by DeadMaker
Does it seems like a little orange peel in the bumper?
Despite of that you have done great job!!
Re: The day of Paint finally came AaronTietje - 1993 MX-3 GS
Posted: August 23rd, 2011, 1:30 pm
by Sleeper6
When did this go down? I wouldve made the trip for some experience, but hey it looks great!
Re: The day of Paint finally came AaronTietje - 1993 MX-3 GS
Posted: August 23rd, 2011, 2:23 pm
by kulluminati777
badass paint job man now you can help me with mine lol

Re: The day of Paint finally came AaronTietje - 1993 MX-3 GS
Posted: August 23rd, 2011, 2:31 pm
by AaronTietje
I have color sanding and spot repair to do the next couple days. After that........Final paint on Friday.
Re: The day of Paint finally came AaronTietje - 1993 MX-3 GS
Posted: August 23rd, 2011, 2:33 pm
by Vecia
Awesome work log... So wish you were closer.
Re: The day of Paint finally came AaronTietje - 1993 MX-3 GS
Posted: August 23rd, 2011, 2:34 pm
by AaronTietje
Sleeper6 wrote:When did this go down? I wouldve made the trip for some experience, but hey it looks great!
We did it last night. If you want to come out, the quickfish club will be meeting at my house for Bible study, food, and more painting on Friday @6:30.

Re: The day of Paint finally came AaronTietje - 1993 MX-3 GS
Posted: August 23rd, 2011, 2:53 pm
by AaronTietje
DeadMaker wrote:Does it seems like a little orange peel in the bumper?
Despite of that you have done great job!!
It's more dust than orange peel that your seeing. Also, the paint was wet when that pic was taken and the paint settled more.

Re: The day of Paint finally came AaronTietje - 1993 MX-3 GS
Posted: August 23rd, 2011, 6:10 pm
by DeadMaker
Give us full detailed pic you when you finish your worklog.
Very interesting..Btw what based paint do you use?
Re: The day of Paint finally came AaronTietje - 1993 MX-3 GS
Posted: August 23rd, 2011, 6:21 pm
by Josh
AaronTietje wrote:DeadMaker wrote:Does it seems like a little orange peel in the bumper?
Despite of that you have done great job!!
It's more dust than orange peel that your seeing. Also, the paint was wet when that pic was taken and the paint settled more.

Yah I have done many paint jobs in garages like this, you tend to get some peal and or dust. as it dries it usually smooths out. and the dust usually washes or buffs out later on.