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Posted: November 2nd, 2006, 6:58 pm
by illapino
i see that A-Toy's protege headlights are rectangular in shape. As are most recessed projector housings, like a honda civic eg i saw and a veilside supra i saw.. the mx-3's headlights are more oval in shape however. i'm starting to wonder how that would even look: not rectangular. would an oval recessed plastic housing look right? i haven't seen one yet.. just a thought
Posted: November 3rd, 2006, 12:16 am
by PATDIESEL
The mod posted 2 posts ago is a Hella lamp which is either a H7 or H9 bulb. Meaning it started life as a fan shape. The cone shaped light with a blockoff plate would just leave less light. Also, Hella makes NA spec lights now so you don't need to worry about the light pattern being off. I doubt Hella lamps would be used in the project though since the lamps are 75 each.
Illapino, the ight is round, the housing is egg shaped. That kinda goes together and should look fine.
Posted: November 3rd, 2006, 8:10 am
by projectmx
square projector lights would look a little odd
i know i've seen neons like that before and another car but can't reall which car. I'm sure they won't be hella but i'll see what i can do about the lights.... i'm hoping that the housings will be able to take other lights so you could save up for a while and buy some really high quality hella's (or any other ocmpany) and swap them out
Posted: November 3rd, 2006, 5:05 pm
by illapino
no, i didn't say square projector lights. i said rectangular housings. all lights should be round of course. i was only talking about the housings, not lights.
Posted: November 3rd, 2006, 8:36 pm
by jschrauwen
I believe only a small amount of adjustment will be required for each individual light. That letter on the previous page asking about the housing and bracket was obviously based on the NA spec light submitted for duplication/design. The NA spec metal mounting bracket is also the beam adjuster. I like the H7, H9 idea too along with a fog light.
As a small issue, this future GB will be a little difficult for our AU, J and E Spec users since their housing's don't have the external metal mounting brackets which I assume the owner would be expected to re-use if they were going to use an NA Spec unit as a role model. Food for thought.
Posted: November 6th, 2006, 9:46 am
by projectmx
how do their lights attach?
maybe after the first batch is done they can do a different model for those countries... anyone have apic of these kinds of lights?
Posted: November 6th, 2006, 9:48 am
by projectmx
illapino wrote:no, i didn't say square projector lights. i said rectangular housings. all lights should be round of course. i was only talking about the housings, not lights.
why would they make our housings square? They have my headlights to use and models and are creating a replica that is to bolt in...
Posted: November 6th, 2006, 7:35 pm
by jschrauwen
Take the time to go through the Electical Forum. There's extensive info regarding the differences between the NA Spec and the others (E Spec, J Spec, AU Spec, ... etc).
NA Spec utilize the external brackets to attach the units to the body. Along with that, those brackets also incorporate the mechanism to adjust the beam's pattern for left/right, up/down.
All of the other Non NA-Spec units have the mounting tabs molded into the ABS plastic of the headlight body itself. Beam adjustment is done via 2 adjusters built right into that ABS body.
When adjusting the beam pattern (alignment) on a NA-Spec unit, the whole body of the light unit moves while the mounting bracket remains fixed. The reflective lense within also remains fixed.
When adjusting the beam pattern (alignment) on a Non NA-Spec unit, the body remains fixed (since it's already hard mounted to the frame) while the reflective lens inside the light unit moves.
Therefore, if a NA-Spec light unit was used as model/template for reproduction, then realistically, you have already discounted all Non NA-Spec MX owners from taking advantage of this project. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. They will be reluctant to buy the re-manufactured units unless they were able to source from Canada or the US a spare set of mounting brackets. Of course this would make it extremely difficult for the average European, Asian or Aussy/Kiwi member. I'm not aware of which model was imported to Central and South America.
Like I mentioned at the onset, a thorough read through the Electrical Forum would have revealed the ergonomic differences between the NA and other light units in other parts of the world.
Sorry again, projectmx
Posted: November 6th, 2006, 9:57 pm
by PATDIESEL
I don't see how the aiming makes much difference. Do you think they will catch it on some sort of inspection? As long as both versions can move the light beam then it should be fine. On second thought, you would HAVE to use NA spec style brackets. Otherwise when you replace the inner lamp with a projector you loose the ability to aim at all, thus needing some sort of individual aiming for the projectors (which is better than trying to use the NA spec aiming to aim both lamps at once).
Posted: November 6th, 2006, 9:57 pm
by projectmx
i'll look into this with andy, i like the idea of having the lights adjustable... i know if he makes the tabs part of the projectors then we loose that adjustability and i'm not sure how adjustable the lights themselves will be yet..... are the mounting points exactly the same on all lights? just the brackets themselves that are different? and i don't see how this will hurt the rest of the community cause if these NA ones work well then they can easily make ones for all other countries also just need someone willing to supply them with those lights, cause there isn't any way i could have supplied those lights and i'm not about to rely on someone else to get this done cause then it will never happen
Posted: November 6th, 2006, 10:45 pm
by jschrauwen
PATDIESEL wrote: On second thought, you would HAVE to use NA spec style brackets. Otherwise when you replace the inner lamp with a projector you loose the ability to aim at all, thus needing some sort of individual aiming for the projectors (which is better than trying to use the NA spec aiming to aim both lamps at once).
That's exactly what I'm saying Pat. Unless each individual light unit placed within the housing has it's own method of adjustment for alignment. If they don't, then what would the buyers from EU, AU, etc do to actually mount these light units for one, since they don't use the external mounting brackets for their MX lights. They would have to also search somewhere in Canada or the US to get a second hand set of external mounting brackets if that's the way these new lights are going to be manufactured.
Whether it's possible at this point in time, I believe the better solution would be to use a J-Spec or E-Spec light unit as a template. But this would mean that there would absolutely positively have to be manual adjusters for each light source that's placed inside the MX's shell that's easily accessable.
Are the car mounting points of the NA-Spec compared to the J-Spec/E-Spec the same? - YES
Posted: November 13th, 2006, 8:22 am
by illapino
just visualizing ...
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Posted: November 13th, 2006, 8:28 am
by projectmx
like those only with two not three is what i'm going for on these
Posted: November 13th, 2006, 10:40 am
by rsroadkilla
im interested if you can send a set to the uk??
Posted: November 13th, 2006, 12:28 pm
by projectmx
i'm sure the company will mail anywhere if you want