MX3 ZE vs ITR and GSR...Your Opinions

2RotorsNaDream · Post by **2RotorsNaDream** » November 21st, 2006, 5:50 pm

First off, you must have a hell of alot of weight reduction to be anywhere near as light as a 92-95 hatch. I said a K20 or ITR motor in a 92-95 hatch would kill a MX-3 w/ ZE. Its a fact. Maybe you can take some bad drivers with that setup but you also are one of the better drivers here seeing as you ran a 14.4 on an almost stock ZE. And those would have to be very bad drivers still. My car has no problem beating an RSX with a K20 either but that is not a 2000lb hatch, its a 2800lb hatch. And good luck with the 20B dream for under $5000, it will probably detonate, or fall off the chassis in a month or two. Also, I can name a swap thats better than the 20B, its an LS7 swap in an RX-7. I know its blasphemy but that is where its at.

mx3autozam · Post by **mx3autozam** » December 8th, 2006, 1:49 am

mazdaspeedmx_3 wrote:i killed my froms civic hatch back with a gsr and a h22 with a lightly modded ze
theres no comparison ....wow a b18c might have 200 hp but what like 140-150 ft lbs of torque peak and the torque isn't as consistant as the v6

One thing you may wanan take into consideration is our engines are bigger displacment and have 2 more cylinderfs. Tahts going to make more torque no matter what.

How did 20b rx-7's get into the picture here. how many times have i heard the v6 has more consistent torque than the Honda's. Have any of you guys been in a Honda or seen them race. Its all about vtec guys. Anyways

I'm giving up on this thread because certain people in this seem to be cocky and just don't understand what I am trying to say. and mazdaspeedmx_3 i'd still like to see a time slip or video of this 14.4 run you did at st thomas.

John

fieromx3 · Post by **fieromx3** » December 8th, 2006, 2:04 am

mazdaspeedmx_3 wrote:put out 4-500 whp or with a 20B definately over 600
20b is 300hp stock...those apex seals can hold up 35 lbs of boost
show me another engine that less than 5G's that can top that

2jz-gte has been proven to produce 900horsepower at the wheels on stock internals... beat that

klzemx6 · Post by **klzemx6** » December 8th, 2006, 10:30 am

ok guys, here's the post that is going to finish this, this post is all about fact nothing else. I OWN an eg hatch with a 98 spec itr motor, it runs 13.9 ALL MOTOR street tires, full interior with just i/h/e. Show me an mx3 that does that. Oh and too the guy that talks about his 14.4 and about how much more torque he has, I don't need torque, once I'm off the line at the track, I'm never under 6500-7000 rpms, wtf do I need torque for, I'm just going to kick your a-- everytime anyways, my slowest runs are faster than you.

Now you guys wanna start talking about a K20A in a eg hatch. Just doing the things you HAVE to do to make the motor fit in the car. You need a mount kit, you need an intake you need a swap header, because none of the stock pieces fit. You take this to the dyno get it tuned by a reputable shop, these motors are making 220+whp like this. Don't believe me http://www.evans-tuning.com check it out for yourself on their dyno forum. Oh and for the record guys, guess what happens when you put that kind of power into an eg hatch with an lsd 6 speed transmission. They run 12's on street tires, I've seen it myself with my own eyes, and there are all kinds of guys that are doing it, and mid to low 12's on slicks. Now I'm no hater here I love any mazdas as much as the next guy I'm all about facts, show me an allmotor, mx3 running a stock motor, some sort of KL, with I/H/E and tuning that's running 12's on street tires, it just doesn't happen, I think its time for you to give up with this whole argument, this is at you, don't know your name the guy that says he runs 14.4 and will beat a k20 powered 96-2000 hatch, oh and by the way for a little bit of weights for you.

92-95 civic hatch cx weigh under 2100 pounds, like 2085 or something like that and 96-2000 civic hatch cx weigh like 2200 pounds, that sounds a lot lighter than your mx3 which weighs around 2500!

Oh and if you're still saying it will be different on the street, get real man, and come see me next year so I can hand you your a-- and you can make me a nice list of ricer excuses!

Nd4SpdSe · Post by **Nd4SpdSe** » December 8th, 2006, 11:06 pm

klzemx6 wrote:I OWN an eg hatch with a 98 spec itr motor, it runs 13.9 ALL MOTOR street tires, full interior with just i/h/e. Show me an mx3 that does that. [...] They run 12's on street tires, I've seen it myself with my own eyes, and there are all kinds of guys that are doing it, and mid to low 12's on slicks. Now I'm no hater here I love any mazdas as much as the next guy I'm all about facts, show me an allmotor, mx3 running a stock motor, some sort of KL, with I/H/E and tuning that's running 12's on street tires, it just doesn't happen,

You did own an Mx-6 that ran 13.6 all motor, and for what I know, it wasn't insanely modded either. You can probably go crazy with internal mods and get into the 12's.

BTW, 11.5 second N/A Probe:
http://mx-3.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t= ... 5d0e16711c

Maybe a better comparison would be a KL in a 323?
http://videos.streetfire.net/category/M ... 1c52ba.htm

klzemx6 · Post by **klzemx6** » December 9th, 2006, 8:53 am

three things, first my mazda went 13.6 on slicks, not on street tires, and many people have tried building all motor motors for the street and have them either fail or hardly go any faster. That's why I didn't continue to go farther and I was just happy the way it was, however the mod list was quite extensive, it basically had every bolt on you could get for the thing.

Secondly, that probe is a race car, as far as I know we are talking about all motor, street cars with motors that have not been opened up in this thread.

And lastly there are fishy things about that kl video, showing it rev to almost 9000 but yet only make around 200whp. That's very odd, and either way there are no videos of that car actually driving, could still be a 13 second car for all we know.

Basically what I'm saying with all this is the guy that ran 14.4 and talks a lot of smack, I'll meet you at st. thomas in the spring and bring my stock ITR motored hatch and we'll see how cocky you are then. Oh and bring some slicks, you're going to need them!

mx3autozam · Post by **mx3autozam** » December 10th, 2006, 2:43 am

Thanks Jim for clearing up the facts...I guess you got my message on msn and decided to check out the thread eh..

2RotorsNaDream · Post by **2RotorsNaDream** » December 10th, 2006, 8:40 pm

Thank you klzemx6, thats what I've been telling this guy. I love MX-3s probably more than anyone here but I know a fact is a fact. I have had 4 MX-3s and no Civics but I can respect what they do. Who has had more MX-3s than me?? Probably only a handful of people here so you cant deny I must love them but I know plenty of stock motor swapped Hondas can take a KLZE. Its a fact.

mazdaspeedmx_3 · Post by **mazdaspeedmx_3** » December 12th, 2006, 7:35 pm

ok guys, here's the post that is going to finish this, this post is all about fact nothing else. I OWN an eg hatch with a 98 spec itr motor, it runs 13.9 ALL MOTOR street tires, full interior with just i/h/e. Show me an mx3 that does that. Oh and too the guy that talks about his 14.4 and about how much more torque he has, I don't need torque, once I'm off the line at the track, I'm never under 6500-7000 rpms, wtf do I need torque for, I'm just going to kick your a-- everytime anyways, my slowest runs are faster than you.

let me get some headers and exhaust
i have no problems beatin my buddy's h22 in his 96 chb depends on your altitude and track conditions....i go on friday nights cuz its cheaper but theres no heat in the track so it sucks for traction...if i went to grand bend or something where theres tons of traction i bet i could hit a high 13 with my set up right now thats with my fully stock interior and 2 huge leaks in my exhaust manifolds so it was runnin super rich....i've got all that fixed now and she pulls like hell

mazdaspeedmx_3 · Post by **mazdaspeedmx_3** » December 12th, 2006, 7:53 pm

klzemx6 wrote:three things, first my mazda went 13.6 on slicks, not on street tires, and many people have tried building all motor motors for the street and have them either fail or hardly go any faster. That's why I didn't continue to go farther and I was just happy the way it was, however the mod list was quite extensive, it basically had every bolt on you could get for the thing.

Secondly, that probe is a race car, as far as I know we are talking about all motor, street cars with motors that have not been opened up in this thread.

And lastly there are fishy things about that kl video, showing it rev to almost 9000 but yet only make around 200whp. That's very odd, and either way there are no videos of that car actually driving, could still be a 13 second car for all we know.

Basically what I'm saying with all this is the guy that ran 14.4 and talks a lot of smack, I'll meet you at st. thomas in the spring and bring my stock ITR motored hatch and we'll see how cocky you are then. Oh and bring some slicks, you're going to need them!

anytime you wanna go just let me know if i've got $15 and some gas in the tank i'm goin racin ...i won't need slicks my engines gettin boosted this winter so i'll be looking forward to that race

you should go look at his post ...alittle fishy eh heres some new video's with his individual throttle bodies now he's makin 231 whp @8500 rpm and he was still buildin power he was having trouble with his oil pump look at the power curve at the dyno......ALL HE HAS IS INTERPREP VALVESPRINGS ON STOCK ZE VALVE TRAIN WITH INTERPREP CAMS AND A TECH3 EMU AND HAYABUSA THROTTLEBODIES
that cars about equal weight to an ek civic ....he was runnin 12.9 with the 208 whp....go on probetalk and talk to leo323 or look at his posts

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/68bd ... 9ededd.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4mKSXFWmzM

mazdaspeedmx_3 · Post by **mazdaspeedmx_3** » December 12th, 2006, 8:30 pm

theres pictures of my timeslip on my cardomain page http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2513931
i'll get a better quality....its against a boosted b18 in a crx ...he ran a 13.9.....you must have got one hell of a 195hp engine there
wheres your timeslips???

mx3autozam · Post by **mx3autozam** » December 12th, 2006, 8:50 pm

HOLY f---ing s--- DUDE...stop saying you will beat Jim with a f---ing turbo and stop posting video's of Leo's 323 which iss out of this world all motor. We were talking about a klze with simple bolt ons vs a civic b18c1/c5 with simple bolt ons. Colt cams and independant throtle bodies. Thats all custom work. what are you going to brag your a-- about next Interprep cams. thsoe are absolutly f---ing garbage. I know a guy named Greg in waterloo with a lime green PGT with a ze and he ran interprep cams and hated them, he lost power and ended up switching back to kl31's. Jim knows this as a fact because he knows the guy more than I do.

and buddy I saw your time slips. I belive you ran the 14.4. All you need is traction and a good 60foot. As for you hitting 13's at Grand Bend., ya f---ing right. The traction there is no better than Cayuga or St thomas.I've raced there and actually think it sucks balls.
But stop with the b----ing on honda sucks. You and Hector(Hgalegos or however you spell it) are both cockky bastards and need to give it up. We are stating the facts not what we just think. You can go ahead and think you can take a Honda. But when Jim(klzemx6) rips you a new a--hole. I will be there laughing my f---ing a-- off

I started this thread. and i'm gunna say now that I want it LOCKED

klzemx6 · Post by **klzemx6** » December 12th, 2006, 9:08 pm

what the hell do i need timeslips for, John (mx3autozam) was there when the passes were made. and we're not talking about turbo were talkinga about your stock ze to my stock itr motor, wanna start something come to kitchener tonight, i can tear you a new a--hole tonight if you would like. Hell I'll give you a car length out of the whole if you want...lol

klzemx6 · Post by **klzemx6** » December 12th, 2006, 9:15 pm

oh and just to help you out some more, if you mount your vaf parallel to the ground rather than pointing at it, you'll get a better reading from your vaf and therefore a better afr. Try that maybe you'll get a 14.3 out of the monster...lol

mx3autozam · Post by **mx3autozam** » December 12th, 2006, 9:24 pm

c'mon buddy come to Kitchener and let your monster do its talking. I'll even be there and i'll record it just so wecan prove it to the reast of the world you were wrong