_-Night-Shade-_ [ 1994 GS-R ] - Winter 2012 ... Part 1

_-Night-Shade-_ · Post by **_-Night-Shade-_** » December 15th, 2011, 4:47 pm

Lol don't hate on PT, they know their stuff over there. A lot more resources and information over there than here I'd say.

MrMazda92 wrote:I'm picking through your worklog Igor, and you've got a clean looking build going. We don't always get along, but I'll admit you've done a hell of a job on the car.

Well thanks, kind of surprised you're actually giving me credit for once. Still weird having you call me by my first name.

MrMazda92 · Post by **MrMazda92** » December 17th, 2011, 7:56 am

Some of them really do know a lot, it's just more chock full of misinformation than most forums... Their membership pool is broad enough that information can be attained easily, but I've never seen so many examples of "well so and so said, so it must be true" than PT.

Still, there is good information to be found if you can verify it before trying it.

I don't always agree with you, but I can respect quality work and a clean car. I don't have to if you prefer I don't; I typically use members' names when I remember them.

jschrauwen · Post by **jschrauwen** » February 14th, 2012, 10:35 am

Looks great. I hope you got overdrive pulleys for the waterpump, alternator and power steering pump so as to retain oem output from those ancilliaries when at idle/low speeds?

_-Night-Shade-_ wrote:Stock crank pulley vs. Unorthodox Racing crank pulley. The stock one weighs 4.8lbs and the Unorthodox is too light for my scale to pick up, definitely under 1lbs, so that's a few more pounds of rotating mass shaved off in addition to the flywheel.

jschrauwen · Post by **jschrauwen** » February 14th, 2012, 10:53 am

Maybe it's time for a KLZE LSD transmission?

BTW, I just went through all 16 pages - great thread!!!

_-Night-Shade-_ wrote:It's a PGT transmission, we already verified it with the VIN on the housing way back when the swap happened. The fidanza is used. The clutch didn't appear to be bowl shaped. It's just a crappy clutch. It's a Valeo. And yes I cleaned the flywheel and everything nicely before putting it back together. I'm not sure if you read the description on YouTube but my VRIS #1 wasn't working at the time, that plus the clutch is the reason why the acceleration wasn't what it should be. The revs are slightly lower but not as low as they would be with an MX-6 transmission. My times were horrible, 15.2 (which is worse than just a plain KLZE swap never mind bolt ons!) was the best I got and all my 60ft were 2.5s. I did 9 runs and every time I tried something different. Just having to slip the clutch while launching hard already made it slip more when shifting. But if I shifted slower or didn't launch as hard I'd get a slow time anyway... Oh well, next season.

_-Night-Shade-_ · Post by **_-Night-Shade-_** » February 18th, 2012, 9:25 pm

jschrauwen wrote:BTW, I just went through all 16 pages - great thread!!!

Thanks John. It means a lot coming from a veteran MX-3er such as yourself

I'm glad I got to see your old MX-3 that's now in Dan's ownership. One of a kind! Stay tuned cause I've got a lot of great stuff planned during this winter.

To answer your question about the pulley, the whole point of that mod is to NOT maintain OEM output. You recover lost power by reducing the drive to the accessories. If I threw on overdrive pulleys for all the accessories I'd be right back where I started, just with a cooler looking pulley and slight weight reduction. Oh and for anybody wondering - I have my battery in the trunk but I didn't have it bolted down securely at the time of this incident, only bungee corded to keep it in place. Anyways I was late for something so I was driving pretty aggressively and I took this one corner really fast and all I heard is a *THUD* I looked behind me and my battery tipped over, slid and had broken itself free from the cord and got disconnected (it's a sealed AGM so nothing happened). However this just goes to show you how well Unorthodox engineers their stuff (and how much of a safe margin there is with the OEM Mazda pulley output): I had enough power with the Unorthodox UP and just my alternator (stock alternator) to idle at a red light, make it to where I was going, and park. As for the rest - the steering will feel identical with it (if there's guys converting to manual racks and not having a problem you can see what I mean). And there are no overheating issues, in fact it may warm up slightly faster and if you're not doing a lot of moving the rad fan might kick in a little bit more frequently, but that's not a downside by any means. So there you go guys, doing some accidental testing so you don't have to

As for the JDM LSD - the only issues I have with it are that if it's a KLZE LSD it will have the MX-6 4.11 final drive. And even though you can take it apart, swap it out to the higher final drive, there is still the problem of getting axles for it...

Nd4SpdSe · Post by **Nd4SpdSe** » February 18th, 2012, 10:15 pm

_-Night-Shade-_ wrote:my battery tipped over, slid and had broken itself free from the cord and got disconnected [...] I had enough power with the Unorthodox UP and just my alternator (stock alternator) to idle at a red light, make it to where I was going, and park.

In reality, you only need the battery the start the car. Although the alternator should charge around 14.4ish volts, you're car would easilly run even if the UDP only charged it at 12v at idle (my truck charges at 12.5v sometimes when she's idling at 500rpm - marine alternator). Even then, you should be able to safely drive around pulling down to around 10.5v

_-Night-Shade-_ · February 18th, 2012, 10:47 pm

Nd4SpdSe wrote:
_-Night-Shade-_ wrote:my battery tipped over, slid and had broken itself free from the cord and got disconnected [...] I had enough power with the Unorthodox UP and just my alternator (stock alternator) to idle at a red light, make it to where I was going, and park.
In reality, you only need the battery the start the car. Although the alternator should charge around 14.4ish volts, you're car would easilly run even if the UDP only charged it at 12v at idle (my truck charges at 12.5v sometimes when she's idling at 500rpm - marine alternator). Even then, you should be able to safely drive around pulling down to around 10.5v

Exactly

People get too carried away and exaggerate the false fears of using a UDP.

MrMazda92 · Post by **MrMazda92** » February 19th, 2012, 4:57 am

I agree on the alternator, but the waterpump is of more concern to me... If I planned to use a UDP, I would overdrive that, at the very least. Still, I prefer complete removal of unused accessories.

_-Night-Shade-_ · Post by **_-Night-Shade-_** » February 20th, 2012, 3:31 am

MrMazda92 wrote:I agree on the alternator, but the waterpump is of more concern to me... If I planned to use a UDP, I would overdrive that, at the very least. Still, I prefer complete removal of unused accessories.

Well if anyone's that paranoid about the cooling system, why not upgrade to a thicker all-aluminum rad, stronger fans, etc. Why take a step backward when you can take a step forward?

_-Night-Shade-_ · Post by **_-Night-Shade-_** » February 25th, 2012, 5:29 pm

Transporting my MX-3 to the new workspace for the winter, VIP style...

The new workspace:

Those KDWs sure leave a sexy footprint

All washed and sparkly clean

Soon... the fun will begin

Stay tuned for Part 2

MrMazda92 · Post by **MrMazda92** » February 26th, 2012, 2:56 am

_-Night-Shade-_ wrote:
MrMazda92 wrote:I agree on the alternator, but the waterpump is of more concern to me... If I planned to use a UDP, I would overdrive that, at the very least. Still, I prefer complete removal of unused accessories.
Well if anyone's that paranoid about the cooling system, why not upgrade to a thicker all-aluminum rad, stronger fans, etc. Why take a step backward when you can take a step forward?

For what it's worth, I already have an upgraded radiator.

Not paranoid, just cautious. Oil starvation and overheating are the 2 main causes of engine death. Well, the true "cause" is lack of maintenance, but those are the usual culprits from a mechanical standpoint.

_-Night-Shade-_ · February 26th, 2012, 12:58 pm

MrMazda92 wrote:For what it's worth, I already have an upgraded radiator. Not paranoid, just cautious. Oil starvation and overheating are the 2 main causes of engine death. Well, the true "cause" is lack of maintenance, but those are the usual culprits from a mechanical standpoint.

That's good. Maybe paranoid wasn't the right word to use, what I was getting at is I don't see the point of fixing something that isn't an issue. Like I said, I'm running the Unorthodox UDP with a stock water pump, stock rad, stock fan, and have no overheating issues.

MrMazda92 · Post by **MrMazda92** » February 26th, 2012, 3:11 pm

I can respect that. You don't live in a super hot climate do you? I don't know Canadian climates very well at all... All I've ever heard is cold throughout.

I'm sure you'll keep an eye on it too, no? I think I remember you having multiple temp gauges anyways. I'm curious as to what your part 2 winter plans will hold, looks like something big is coming!

_-Night-Shade-_ · Post by **_-Night-Shade-_** » February 26th, 2012, 3:37 pm

MrMazda92 wrote:I don't know Canadian climates very well at all... All I've ever heard is cold throughout.

LOL I'm not surprised, everyone (k not everyone but ya know what I mean) in the states thinks Canadians live in igloos.

MrMazda92 wrote:I can respect that. You don't live in a super hot climate do you?

The climate here in Toronto is... f'ed up to say the least. Cold winters, hot summers. But this year we've actually had a really mild winter, barely any snow and often hovering above 0*C (hence why I washed my car). Haven't even really had to use the 4x4 in my truck, just driving in RWD. But they're still salting the roads like crazy so winter driving the MX-3 is a big no no.

MrMazda92 wrote:I'm curious as to what your part 2 winter plans will hold, looks like something big is coming!

HUGE! It's gonna catch everyone by surprise! Hahah I hope...

SuperK · Post by **SuperK** » February 26th, 2012, 5:49 pm

_-Night-Shade-_ wrote: LOL I'm not surprised, everyone (k not everyone but ya know what I mean) in the states thinks Canadians live in igloos.

I don't think you live in igloos. I think you live in a little log cabin by a frozen lake, and you sit by a hole cut in the ice fishing all day.

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