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Re: Driving Away Without Unplugging!

Posted: November 28th, 2010, 4:47 pm
by Evo_Spec
johnmx3ze wrote:did all mx3's have this? i dont, well i think i dont lol
my original B6 engine didn't have one and my BP-T is JDM and most parts of Japan probably just use water, so that one doesn't have one either =P

Re: Driving Away Without Unplugging!

Posted: November 28th, 2010, 6:29 pm
by wytbishop
Evo_Spec wrote:
johnmx3ze wrote:did all mx3's have this? i dont, well i think i dont lol
my original B6 engine didn't have one and my BP-T is JDM and most parts of Japan probably just use water, so that one doesn't have one either =P
The "Anti-Freeze" you use to cool your engine is not just anti-freeze. Ethylene Glycol has a much much higher specific heat than water. Meaning it can absourb much more heat than water as well as shedding that heat more efficiently than water. Everyone uses anti-freeze...even the Japanese.

Having said that, my JDM ZE also doesn't have one, but that's because it doesn't get cold enough to need to pre-heat the coolant...not because they don't have to worry about it freezing.

My ZE has never had any trouble starting...even at -43C last winter, but I still wish it had one. It just makes things easier.

Re: Driving Away Without Unplugging!

Posted: November 28th, 2010, 11:43 pm
by MrMazda92
That being said guys, does anybody happen to know which engines have them factory?

Thanks!

Re: Driving Away Without Unplugging!

Posted: November 29th, 2010, 12:01 am
by Ryan
None.

If your car was sold in a climate that gets cold enough to warrant one, dealerships were responsible for installing them. Its a process called PDI (Pre-delivery inspection).


Wouldn't make sense for any manufacturer to waste the money installing them on cars that might wind up in Texas.

Re: Driving Away Without Unplugging!

Posted: November 29th, 2010, 12:09 am
by solo_ryder
Yea the only reason that my car has one in the mild climate of Vancouver is that my car was originally owned by a Mazda employee for 2 years in Alberta somewhere. Guess he got it installed when it arrived.

Re: Driving Away Without Unplugging!

Posted: November 29th, 2010, 12:52 pm
by Evo_Spec
wytbishop wrote:The "Anti-Freeze" you use to cool your engine is not just anti-freeze. Ethylene Glycol has a much much higher specific heat than water. Meaning it can absourb much more heat than water as well as shedding that heat more efficiently than water. Everyone uses anti-freeze...even the Japanese.
interesting, i thought anti-freeze made cooling worse and so the less extreme cold of climate the less anti-freeze they used to maximize cooling, guess i was wrong.
time to do some research and find out how this stuff works =D

Re: Driving Away Without Unplugging!

Posted: November 29th, 2010, 1:31 pm
by Ryan
Please tell me you've been using it anyway... it also resists corrosion such as rust.

I bet your "water" is mud brown.

Re: Driving Away Without Unplugging!

Posted: November 29th, 2010, 1:43 pm
by Evo_Spec
Ryan wrote:Please tell me you've been using it anyway... it also resists corrosion such as rust.

I bet your "water" is mud brown.
if by mud brown you ment rust, than no, it's more of "monster green" as i put it =D
And yes i use anti-freeze because i'm very aware it's a rust inhibitor.
i guess to follow with what i'm saying i'll explain what i do with anti-freeze.
basically in summer i used a 30/70 water mixture because i'm aware that anti-freeze also increases the boiling point and the extra water would promote cooling, or straight water if i'm working on my cooling system and need to run to the store to get parts.
In winter i use 50/50 mixture because it doesn't really get colder than -37 without windchill (-37, written on the back of the bottle, is the freeze point of the anti-freeze i use)

really i don't know if what i'm doing is really helping anything, i just kind of do it if i feel like it, lots of time i just left the 50/50 mixture in there from winter cause i know it doesn't harm anything.
also the point of my comment was more of a question than anything, cause i'm by far not the most knowledgeable person here and i know that, in fact i'm a noob who barely got his bp swap done XD
so any....education on the topic would be nice

Re: Driving Away Without Unplugging!

Posted: November 29th, 2010, 2:42 pm
by wytbishop
50/50 is always good. Too strong a mixture can cause flow problems and isn't ideal for cooling either. Too weak a mixture is definitely not best for cooling but as long as the climate is ok there's no worries.

Re: Driving Away Without Unplugging!

Posted: November 29th, 2010, 5:09 pm
by Nd4SpdSe
wytbishop wrote:50/50 is always good. Too strong a mixture can cause flow problems and isn't ideal for cooling either. Too weak a mixture is definitely not best for cooling but as long as the climate is ok there's no worries.
Exactly, good for the large majority of environments, and 50/50 is easy to mix too.

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Re: Driving Away Without Unplugging!

Posted: November 30th, 2010, 12:05 am
by MrMazda92
Ah okay, I may or may not bother to put one in with the new engine.

Re: Driving Away Without Unplugging!

Posted: November 30th, 2010, 7:39 am
by cWs306
Who needs a whale wing, it's not a civic!

hahahahah thats awesome!

It's A Bird, Its A Plane.. NO! its a honda civic!!! :D

Re: Driving Away Without Unplugging!

Posted: November 30th, 2010, 8:05 am
by cWs306
Forgot to plug in last night. -27 with the wind chill. car wont start! :( LOL.

Re: Driving Away Without Unplugging!

Posted: November 30th, 2010, 7:28 pm
by MrMazda92
cWs306 wrote:
Who needs a whale wing, it's not a civic!

hahahahah thats awesome!

It's A Bird, Its A Plane.. NO! its a honda civic!!! :D
Haha thanks, I put that in after I saw a spoiler that weighed as much as I do on a Civic.