Feels good to be Reloaded: WARNING MAY CONTAIN MATRIX 2

[codyhoover]

This may get a little long......<p>Thee Architect created the 1st matrix to be perfect, but humans rejected it since humans are not perfect. The Orical figured out a way to chance the program so that 99.9% of the population would accept it, by giving the people choice, and together the Orical and the Architect created the second matrix. But by creating choice in the program the program itself then became flawed, allowing that last .1% to reject the matrix. Choice is also what prevents them from destroying the matrix. When The One is given the choice of destroying the matrix, wich would esentially destroy all humans and the machines, and saveing the one he loves, he choses the one he loves, hence the matrix is intact, and the cycle starts over again. And this was the 6th time it has happened.<p>ok that was how the Architect explained it. Now this is my theory......<p>There are actually 2 matrix. The 1st matrix is the 1990's world that everyone in the "farms" lives in. The 2nd matrix is the "real world" with zion and the machines on the surface. The second matrix was created as a way of controlling that .1% of the people that rejected the 1st matrix. It makes them believe they have been freed from the matrix when they are essentually still in it. That is why Neo still had his powers in the "real world". It also explains how it has happened 6 times. If someone rejects the 1st matrix they are put into the second matrix, and every few hundred years when the second matrix gets to full, they destroy it. <p>to be continued

[codyhoover]

Another thing that kinda supports my theory is how the Architect seemed to know what was going to happen. Almost like he had planned it. <p>Also how did the architect know what Neo was thinking. Everytime the Architect said something all the monitors in the back would show what Neo was thinging and feeling, and there is only 2 ways he could know that. One, Neo is still plugged into the matrix via the machines, not pirate broadcast. Or two, and this one is a little far fetched, he is actually a rouge program within the matrix much like the Orical or the ghosts who was at one time programed by the Architect.<p>
But anyways, there are a million different ways to interperit the movie. The movie creates more questions than it answers.<p>The cuts from real photage to the CG fight sceens was amazing<p>i think it will be better the more i see it and figure more of the plot out. Im sure I missed alot this time

[gueedo]

I just want to tell everyone to WAIT THROUGH THE CREDITS. I went to see it last night and if you wait through them, you get to see the preview of Revolutions. Again.....WAIT THROUGH THE CREDITS....THEY'RE LONG BUT THE PREVIEW IS WORTH IT. 75% of the theater emptied out but my friend had heard a rumor that there would a preview after the credits and he was right. So be patient and STAY FOR GODS SAKES. It was definately a great movie.

[Dephekt]

I havent seen it yet, I'm going Friday night, but 2 of my best friends saw it last night and they said it was complete **** and ruined the first movie. They said the action was amazing but started to get tedious and repetative. And the story got so confusing it was dumb and really hard to follow cause it leaves you with a million questions. I was dissapointed to hear what they said about the movie, I'm still iffy and I'll judge it for myself on Friday, but I just thought I would share other peoples opinions.

[992mmx3]

Sooo, your friends didn't get the movie so its dumb?? Nah, makes them sound dumb if anything. Saw it last night, it kicked a$$. It really gets you wondering and starving for the next one. Oh, and I stayed for the preview of the next one too, can't wait to see it. Two thumbs up, except for the weird underground cave/rave love scene, that was kind of stoopid.<p>[ May 15, 2003: Message edited by: 992mmx3 ]</p>

[codyhoover]

The movie is a complete mind**** but as long as you are not retarded and pay atention, most of it makes sence. <p>The only scene i didnt like was the French guy. That was a little much.<p>If you havent seen it yet.....get out of this thread and GO!

[ghandi1981]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by codyhoover:
This may get a little long......<p>The Architect created the 1st matrix to be perfect, but humans rejected it since humans are not perfect. The Orical figured out a way to chance the program so that 99.9% of the population would accept it, by giving the people choice, and together the Orical and the Architect created the second matrix. But by creating choice in the program the program itself then became flawed, allowing that last .1% to reject the matrix. Choice is also what prevents them from destroying the matrix. When The One is given the choice of destroying the matrix, wich would esentially destroy all humans and the machines, and saveing the one he loves, he choses the one he loves, hence the matrix is intact, and the cycle starts over again. And this was the 6th time it has happened.<p>ok that was how the Architect explained it. Now this is my theory......<p>There are actually 2 matrix. The 1st matrix is the 1990's world that everyone in the "farms" lives in. The 2nd matrix is the "real world" with zion and the machines on the surface. The second matrix was created as a way of controlling that .1% of the people that rejected the 1st matrix. It makes them believe they have been freed from the matrix when they are essentually still in it. That is why Neo still had his powers in the "real world". It also explains how it has happened 6 times. If someone rejects the 1st matrix they are put into the second matrix, and every few hundred years when the second matrix gets to full, they destroy it. <p>to be continued<hr></blockquote><p>i agree with you on ur theory of the 2nd matrix....but i thought the decision he has to make was to 1) destroy the matrix and all the humans still plugged into it (by going back in and saving the one he loved) or 2) to save 23 ppl (16 females 7 males) to start another zion again. the architect says the he is the 6th "one" and all his predessessors chose to rebuild zion. the reason why neo's choice is different is because his choise is clouded with emotion. he told him either way zion was gonna be destroyed but that if he went back into the matrix that the whole human race would be destroyed. that is why neo tells the architet that that is not so b/c the machines need the power from the humans...but the architect tells him that the machines are willing to take that chance and that there are different lvls to thier survial.... our theory of the 2nd matrix is further supported when neo tells morpheous that the prophecy was a lie and that it was just a control...a control to keep in line the last .1% that rejected the 1st matrix. when neo stops the sentinals in the "real" world he "awoke" just as he "awoke" in the first matrix and is not able to fly and ****....in the last one i bet he will be able to do all that stuff in the "real" world...it is just a contiuous loop that keeps on running and now neo broke the loop and is finishing the rest of the "program" (the end of the machines-the awakining of the humans).....<p>
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[Nd4SpdSe]

hmm,makes me think<p>but then why where teh machines still digging?

[kuruption1983]

short and nice:
retarded movie, waste of money. <p>just my rusty penny,<p>[ May 20, 2003: Message edited by: kuruption1983 ]</p>

[marshmallow15]

hey guys read my post on my blog about my analysis on the movie.. i dont want to type it again.<p>http://www.geocities.com/driftingboogie/<p>anyway, the second matrix theory makes really good sense... i have the script for part 3, but haven't read it yet.<p>about the whole smith/neo thing... i think neo IS a program in the matrix in human form, and that smith is actually STILL a running program as well.. just that him being set 'free' is what he was supposed to actually do. the second matrix explains how neo was able to stop those sentinels in the so-called 'real world'. but why would smith create so many copies of himself when he knows he still won't be able to beat neo?<p>also those copies must have some purpose, since they're in the scene in part 3 in the final duel (oh btw... i think that if neo dies, then smith will also and vice versa). i think smith made those copies because his main purpose is to kill neo, and he would only make copies of himself if it serves a purpose in neo's death.. such as something that might happen in part 3.. either that or smith's ego is just soo huge.<p>i also think neo is a part of smith in a way that smith was able to copy a HUMAN into himself.. technically, it would be impossible for him to tap into a HUMAN to create copies of himself.. he could only do that to other programs running such as neo. but since he's part of neo, he was able to copy that one guy and morpheus.<p>the whole architect thing, i think he planned those answers that neo said except for the last choice he made.. when he chose trinity out of love.. i think THAT part surprised the architect. why would he create a program to choose the other choice? so the matrix can be reloaded.. correct? but obvious neo chose trinity which surprised him.. i don't think the architect planned that.<p>and the whole convo about a choice in the future that will be made that hasn't been made yet.. i think that is the final duel in the matrix 3 preview.. when neo and smith fight.. because i think if one of them dies, the other dies as well.. which explains why the oracle said that death is near.. and if the matrix dies the oracle can die with it, or either neo or smith will die.

[VizualXTC]

I also agree with the 2nd matrix theory. I told my brother when we were watching it, even before he knocked down the "squiddy." Also, like Marsh said, Agent Smith was able to copy himself into a human. This could only happen within a program (as happens in the matrix). Obviously Smith can't be in the real world since he is only a program. So since he was in the body of the guy (the one that tried to kill Neo) it must have been another program world. <p>Now for my original thoughts. I loved the movie and will own it on the day it is released if not sooner. I guarentee I will have it downloaded before it is on DVD. There were a couple of things I wanted to point out. First, when he's flying thru the air and catches Trinity at the end. Effin Awesome. It would have been 10 times cooler if he hadn't been "superman" thru the rest of the movie. Also, what the hell was with that futuristic orgy they had goin on? Kinda took away from the movie. I dunno, if I wanna see sex, I'll buy pay-per-view. No reason to put it in a movie like this. Also, the fight scene, when he is with the Merovingian and his thugs, took too damn long. Got a little boring. Other than that Persephone was DAMN fine, the action was awesome, and the movie was a A++ in my book. <p>P.S.
X-Men 2 was bad ***
Daredevil.....waste of film
(saw those at the drive-in tonight)

[992mmx3]

I heard the video game gives up the plot, here's something interesting someone else wrote up, OK folks,<p>I just saw the movie for the 2nd time. Wow! What a difference! The filming techniques are still very classy. My only criticism of the film is the excessive comic relief. I (personally) could do without it, but perhaps the Wachowski brothers thought it was a necessary evil to entertain a wider audience. (ie: the folks uninterested in plot development, etc)<p>I was able to pick up on a couple of things.<p>In one of Agent Smith's first scenes, he states that "everything is happening just like before". His duplicate says, "not exactly like before". (In reference to Agent Smith's new ability to imprint himself on others)<p>The french dude (Macha-something) states that he had "survived all of Neo's predecessors" and that he would survive the current Neo. He also stated that he was a bit ruder than his predessors. Imagine that. <p>In the preview for Revolutions, it looks like Neo, Trinity, Morpheus, and Naobi will be returning to the Matrix for some sort of mischief. The "possessed" Kane/(Cain?) will be wreaking some more havoc in the "real world". Neo will have a showdown with Agent Smith, as advised by the Oracle. The Oracle's protector program appears to be giving assistance to the humans. There looks to be some serious fighting in and around Zion.<p>I also took the time to think about Neo's "newfound" ability to deactivate the sentinals. I didn't get any clarity until I saw the preview for Revolutions.............Has anyone considered that the deactivation of the sentinels was the Wachowski brothers' way of "controlling" all of YOU? (To make you shoot in the dark for answers)<p>I think the simplest answer is probably the most likely. There is NO second Matrix within the Matrix. The sentinels went boom because the machines did not want to jeopardize the only way they had to control the human battery population. They still believe that Neo may still be able to be convinced to be assimilated by the mainframe and restore control in their system............ <p>The problem lies within the fact that an anomaly is an ANOMALY (defined as: Deviation or departure from the normal or common order, form, or rule.). If you find a way to control an anomaly when it occurs, what about the anomaly within that anomaly? This Neo may very well be an anomaly from the "norm" of the past anomalies.<p>Also, the Wachowski brothers are VERY spiritual. Take note of all of the Greek, Buddist, Christian, etc references and you might expect a real spiritually thought provoking trilogy.<p>The real question here: How deep does the rabbit hole REALLY go?

[992mmx3]

My only question to this is this, if the bots stopped by themselves, why did he say he could feel them (in likeness to feeling things in the matrix) and then go into acoma after they stopped?

[marshmallow15]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by VizualXTC:
Also, what the hell was with that futuristic orgy they had goin on? Kinda took away from the movie.[/i]<hr></blockquote><p>yea it kinda cheapens the movie.. but i have a feeling that their son will play some sort of role in part 3... like its predictable. the final duel, either neo loses or smith loses, or both of them dies because they're connected.. neo's gone, trinity is holding neo's son.. get the point?<p>and yes the wachowski bros are VERY spiritual... neo had some references of being the prophecy's 'one'... aka the savior of zion and humans.. like how jesus was. maybe this film was inspired by jesus? heh its a possibility.<p>also keanu mentioned a scene where he was staring out at 'machine city' and the vast horizon was endless desert/storms.. talking about how emotional it was for him to shoot that last scene (not scene in movie, but in the film production) and how EVERYONE of the cast was watching the last filming of that scene.. very emotional time.<p>i think neo's son will play a MAJOR role in part 3, such as the continuation of rebuilding zion or something like that.. otherwise if you look at it, the whole sex scene was TOTALLY unnecessary in the movie.. i mean they spent so much time on it like they wanted the audience to remember that scene when they watch part 3. i'd be really excited if part 3, neo dies and trinity remenices and then looks down at her slightly bigger stomach and hears a heartbeat or a cool effect like an xray through her stomach showing her baby.. i mean wouldn't that be a slap in the face for you? cause you'd be like 'OOH YEA THEY HAD SEX!'