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[Custommx3]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by sureshiit:
Hey American eyes can't see through American lies" <p>The US only helps countries that are either in their best interest or dont effect their best interest. US supports the Chinese who are killing off Tibet, and supports a dictatorship in Mexico, All to reap the benifits of Globalization. All the while screwing US citizens out of jobs and security, and destroying the endiginous economies of South America and Asia.<p>[ February 12, 2003: Message edited by: sureshiit ]<hr></blockquote><p>You should really get the facts straight before saying that...
ALOT of the Japanese and Chinese countries are putting American businesses out of business. 9/11 was just a main pivot point of alot of these companies downfall. Im not trying to be a jerk, not am I trying to be one sided. But alot of people hear runmors and watch too much Tv and make invalid opinions of how the US and its government interacts with the rest of the world. I myself am an American and politics is a really big discussion where I work (being a worldwide business). All American decisions of war/trade/ect effect our company. We even have meetings about different matters. 9/11 was a major pivot point for our company as well, lots of jobs were lost because of the cutbacks. The budget was back down to 1998 levels and we were at the biggest point in our companies history up to that point.
Im not by anymeans trying to persecute anyones opinion thats not my own. But I'd like you to form your opinion around facts, not the media.

[azmtbkr81]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Hey American eyes can't see through American lies"
The US only helps countries that are either in their best interest or dont effect their best interest. US supports the Chinese who are killing off Tibet, and supports a dictatorship in Mexico, All to reap the benifits of Globalization. All the while screwing US citizens out of jobs and security, and destroying the endiginous economies of South America and Asia. <hr></blockquote><p>Those are some pretty bold statements, man. Do you have any evidence to back them up?<p> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>The US only helps countries that are either in their best interest or dont effect their best interest. <hr></blockquote><p>see my above post<p> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>US supports the Chinese who are killing off Tibet <hr></blockquote><p>We don't SUPPORT China, in fact we make it known on a regular basis that their treatment of Tibetens is a violation of human rights. <p> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>and supports a dictatorship in Mexico <hr></blockquote><p>How is Vincente Fox a dictator? He is the first president in like fifty years that hasn't come from the same political party. As a matter of fact, one of his main priorites has been to make Mexico a more democratic place. <p> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>All the while screwing US citizens out of jobs and security <hr></blockquote><p>I think it was mentioned in an above post that we have the lowest unemployment rate in the world and right now we are trying our best to protect the security of our citizens.<p> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>destroying the endiginous economies of South America and Asia <hr></blockquote><p>What indiginous economies? Growing cocaine?<p>
Maldo-I am interested to hear what your solution is to this problem, like 992mmx3 said we aren't being close minded we just haven't heard any arguments that have been convincing.

[TedLeeper]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by maldo:
[QB]It is going to be a repetitive circle, you attack them, they attack, and again and again. <p>The main point of this war is so that isn't possible for that to happen. That is the main reason for taking sadam out of power and disarm him (which I'm sure we will accomplish) is so that he cant attack. do you really believe that we will just attack him once and wait for a retallation?

Also its not that "alternative opinions mean jack in this group" its just that some of us think your wrong and are trying to prove it. <p>quote I saw on bumper sticker, "first Iraq, then france" this just made me laught and i thought i would share it.

[maldo]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>ALOT of the Japanese and Chinese countries are putting American businesses out of business <hr></blockquote><p>What is wrong with this? If you can't compete in a world market, you should re-evaluate your business strategy. It is unfair to other competing countries when the American government subsizes their businesses that are suffering because they can't compete with foreign businesses. Your government isn't the only country that does this, ours does to. They do this thru subsidies, tariffs, and quotas. <p>Barry, I hope the facts vs. media comment was not directed at me. <p>As far as my comments go on the previous few posts. I have none, I don't care to comment.

[quinn_seipp]

and I quote that matt good music video... Everyone has a God to kill for, they just have different names. I think this sums stuff up pretty well. I didn't spend my time reading all those other posts, but barry's caught my eye. The comment about america only looking into situations that benefit them, is PARTIALLY true, but it is the same with all countries. Who gave the middle east weapons to fight russia? and is now having those weapons used on them? It's the same with every country though... <p>Maldo I don't think you should take this debate too close to heart, because I agree with most of your replies... its always good to hear opposing sides and you brought up many good ideas.

[VizualXTC]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>I believe that you need 2 super powers, as the cold war presented. Therefore one nation cannot control the world as the US is apparently trying to do (from the view point of outsiders looking in).<hr></blockquote><p>That is the most insane idea I have ever heard. That's basically asking for war (um...like the cold war) because two superpowers will NEVER agree on everything. America is NOT trying to become the all mighty. I know some of you think that because we intervene when needed. We give all support to the UN to "govern" the world.<p> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Ryan, your inability to comprehend still amazes me. I don't even know how I can respond to that crap you spew without being completely negative.<hr></blockquote><p>Inability to comprehend what per se? Your complete lack of reason? Your inability to accept anything that you don't fully understand? Your asinine thoughts about the US economy? Please tell me. Let the inults be left to the foolish Chris. You speak about keeping the debate civil and on-topic, yet you alone break into personal attacks. <p> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>I am opposed to a war, there is no need for more innocent lives to be taken, both from allied forces and from Iraqi civilians.<hr></blockquote><p>The only problem with that philosophy is IRAQ IS GOING TO ATTACK!!!. There is nothing we can do about it except neutralize the threat. I know you think Bin Laden is at war with America. He's not. He's been bombing England, France, and MANY other nations. Canada is on the agenda too. You think Saddam is at war against America. He's not. He's at war with anyone that isn't within his power. The reason they are targeting America is because once the US economy falls, the rest of the world will domino. <p>You say "Great to see so many anti-Canada comments on this board" when I believe the first attack was by a canadian....and I don't see any "anti-Canada" comments at all. Too bad you have to hide behind hateful words. <p>[ February 13, 2003: Message edited by: VizualXTC ]</p>

[mx3chom]

Ryan you are totally right.<p>Chris, so you are saying even though we know that we are going to be attacked, that we should sit around and wait for destruction.<p>I am against fighting wars for others. I swore that one day if the draft was reinstated that I would run to Canada. But if the draft was reinstated to protect against direct threats on my home, and my dad, and my younger brothers, then I would be the first one in line.<p>How dare you comment badly about the USA. Canada would be nothing if the US did not stand behind it. <p>Why don't all you people against us, come to the US for a while. Take a good look. Take it all in. Pride, respect, honor, is what you will find.<p>You say an eye for an eye resolves nothing. Your right. But if we let Sadam take another shot at our remaining eye, I promise he won't take just the eye. He will demolish us. And then you!<p>Are you saying that if Canada was attacked, then you would just shrug it off, and hope that it doesn't happen again? Are you that much of a coward?<p>So Malado, just one more quick question for ya. ARE YOU A TERRORIST? Because you act like if the US is gone, then you will live. Are you and Sadam friends. Is he only going to kill your neighbors and not you, so you two can live a happy ever after life?<p>Malado, if we told Sadam that he could take over canada if he wanted, and we would not interfere, I hope Sadam makes you his gay sex slave.<p>Dominic<p>[ February 13, 2003: Message edited by: mx3chom ]</p>

[992mmx3]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by mx3chom:
Ryan you are totally right.<p> ARE YOU A TERRORIST?
Malado, if we told Sadam that he could take over canada if he wanted, and we would not interfere, I hope Sadam makes you his gay sex slave.<p>Dominic<p>[ February 13, 2003: Message edited by: mx3chom ]<hr></blockquote><p>Thats not cool man, just like it wasn't cool that maldo called ryan a dipsh**. Chris, the only reason were having this debate really is because you were one of the 1st to have a VERY aggressive post about our president and our country, if you can't handle a debate, then don't start one. I just don't get why you're reconsidering your contributions to the site, what does this have to do with the site or the mx-3? Don't take it so personally, if you can't handle a debate, then yes, maybe you should keep your comments to yourself, but we should still be cool. My 2 cents.<p>[ February 13, 2003: Message edited by: 992mmx3 ]</p>

[VizualXTC]

Agreed. Personal comments and attacks should be left for personal conversation. Thru Email or Instant Messages. If anyone has something to say to me, it's easy to get a hold of me because I have the AIM icon at the top of my post boxes. Or if you're computer is like mine and you have to work to get the AIM name, then my AIM is VizualXTC if you want to talk to me personally.

[EBUCKS]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> quote:
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I believe that you need 2 super powers, as the cold war presented. Therefore one nation cannot control the world as the US is apparently trying to do (from the view point of outsiders looking in).
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<p>That is the most insane idea I have ever heard. That's basically asking for war (um...like the cold war) because two superpowers will NEVER agree on everything. America is NOT trying to become the all mighty. I know some of you think that because we intervene when needed. We give all support to the UN to "govern" the world.<p> <hr></blockquote><p>I guess you just figure that the US should be the only super power then.
The US needs a country to stand up to them. The US has too much power right now and need to be knocked down a few notches. Your economy was booming and now it's faltering. You're at war, duh! Canada has not taken as much of hit from an economic stand point. A lot of business is being taken offshore (Japan, China, India, etc.), as labour is cheaper, therefore costs are lower.
Canadians are respected as peace keepers around the world. I don't think calling Maldo a terrorist is appropriate. Canada is not on your side. Their on the UN's side. When it is time to keep peace, we'll be there. <p>one

[992mmx3]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by EBUCKS:
[QB]<p> Your economy was booming and now it's faltering. You're at war, duh!
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We know this and have been saying this all along, and no, its not just cause were at war, actually this whole thing against Iraq hasn't even started yet, we've only moved trooops into the area.
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Canada has not taken as much of hit from an economic stand point. Canadians are respected as peace keepers around the world.
--------------------------------------------------<p>Thats not really the reason why they weren't hit as bad economically, its mostly because Canada was NOT the direct victim of the terrorist attacks.<p>------------------------------------------------
When it is time to keep peace, we'll be there.
------------------------------------------------<p>Where are you now??<p>
<p>[ February 13, 2003: Message edited by: 992mmx3 ]</p>

[VizualXTC]

Ebucks
Next time you quote me and respond, be sure to keep your responces directed toward my post and not toward other posts by other people. I NEVER called Chris a terrorist. I never said US should be the Ultimate super power either. I believe I said that the US gives support to the UN to govern the world....you must have missed that in my previous post. You should probably read the entire post before comenting on it. The US is like the big brother of the world. We're gunna use our forces to help when others need them. Funny thing how so many people can be ungrateful for that fact. I know you think that if America was gone that the world would be at peace and that everyone would go around town skipping and holding hands. You are SADLY mistaken. Canada IS at war, you just don't know it yet because there hasn't been an attack on your soil...YET! Like I stated before, you think that Osama and Saddam are at war with us, but it's only because if you want to take something over, you go after the biggest target first. He knows that if they attack another country they will be fighting them AND us. But if they defeat us, then they'd only be fighting the one defence. Too bad they won't succeed at defeating America. We're too strong, and we're too collected. America WILL come out of this endeavor on top, believe that. When Saddam drops a bomb on canadian soil who will your country turn to for support? America, because you know we'll help you out. I don't support war. I think that innocent people lives shoulen't be lose because of bickering. But Saddam made the first attack. We're going to finish this. But I'm not going to waste anymore of my time trying to convince you that America is NEEDED in the world. Not only because I'm an American, but because I can see what's going on instead of having my views clouded because of a few things that didn't go my way. <p>P.S. This topis is about the war with Iraq and Terror. Why not leave the anti-america comments out of it. Especially if it has NOTHING to do with the war. I personally don't care if "Canada" is on our side. I believe that Canada will make the right choice in the end.

[VizualXTC]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by IamCanadian:
This korea thing being able to hit us with nukes is also an issue
This is all BS
If the US starts calling on people (if it gets that bad) ill be right there ready to fight
I dont like war or anything, but there isnt any turning back, saddam is going to do something i thinks
Only mistake US makes is waiting i think.
If saddam/bin laden/korea attacks it could very well take the lives of thousands of people.
I agree with all the people who say canada is apart of this 100% because we are
What seperates the US from canada? an imaginary line? think saddam or korea cares about this imaginary line?
Im sure Bush knows he has a good number of us hockey fans up here to back him up with our autographed hockey sticks <hr></blockquote><p>I must commend you on this post. Your previous posts were anti-america and that pissed me off, but offereing your life to defend our freedom is an incredible trait. Thank you.<p>I'd also like to post a few comments made about america's selfish demeanor and intent on only helping it's own economy.<p>"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.
Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts.
None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.
When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.
The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.
I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them?
Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.
You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - and safely home again.<p>You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.
When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them.
When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.
I can name you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.
Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around.
They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."<p>Mr. Gordon Sinclair
(1900-1984)

[EBUCKS]

Sorry big dog. I feel to not get involved anymore. Your overbearing US attitude has turned me off this discussion.
But I have one more thing to say. You say you have it together, more together than the terrorist countries. These people die for Allah (in their eyes). You die for your country. Which do you think is stronger? <p>Jah lives, and I and I will just bow out and smoke my herbs, as babylon na know what dem do. Jah Rastafari!<p>one people. . . one love (in the words of Robert Nestor Marley)