bpt and bp

[Nd4SpdSe]

thats funny still because your still lecturing me and not giving me links. so i can help my self im not making you change it for me am i so how are you helping by telling me to find it my self. so please get off your high horse and just give links. and im only wanting things i cant find in the FAQ ok. so please grow up and help not complain if you dont want to help and tell me to find it my self why tell me that. by your silence that is one way to tell me and giveing me miss info does not help at all

I'm lecturing you because it needs to be done. Part of asking for help is not only what you ask, but also how you ask. If your asking basic questions that can easilly be answered, it's because you haven't tired for yourself and you want us to spend time with you and spood feed you information. Secondly, we can tell by what you've typed that you've done research in a very minute way by saying: "just give links" and "only wanting things i cant find in the FAQ", we know for a fact that you haven't even bothered to look and search around.

We're not stupid, this may be only text, but we know the difference when someone tries to find information and needs some info, or someone that wants it all handed on a silver platter to them. We've been finding it happen more and more often over the years that people come here and talk to us like we owe them something, not the case.

The reason why we're not giving you (or me in particular) links it that is so that you learn how to find information for yourself, because the information we would be giving you is in the same place you would find it; here.

you should be reading yourself to blindness.

Couldn't of said it better myself. I still remember the late nights I'd spend in front of just Mx-3.com and ProbeTalk back long ago when I was planing my KLZE swap back in 2002 and did the swap in 2003 (ya, i researched for SEVERAL months before hand), just reading and reading gobs of information; finding information, and doing more searches on what I found but didn't quite understand or wanted to know more about. And information wasn't as vast as it is now either. You see how I can even answer stuff in the 4cyl forums despite I've never owned a 4cyl Mx-3; it's because I read it...funny how that works...

[cricketol2]

well why should every one read them selfs blind if there are others out here that have done it why should others suffer like you did if thats the case then close this site then i would have to read my self blind and have to do it 100% by my self if this forum was to help then help not tell people that they need to do it all them selfs. the hole point of me coming here was to get help and i have got about 5% of help from people the other part was from finding it out on my own. if someone would ask i would not tell them to do what you want me to do i would help with as much info as i can so they dont have to go threw all this aggravation as i do or as you have done or anyone that has done this threw this site. and im not talking about every one because some may have had better chances then me or even you at that. so if you cant help but tell me to look threw the library of this site and give me no way to find things easier then what are you doing here but not helping me . the work was dont before why does it still have to be hard to find. make a table of contents so people dont have to go threw all the stupid crap and get to the points that matter. so why are you wanting this swap to be hard for every one so they can get pissed or is there something else you want.

all i asked was

do bpts use the same harness as a bp if the bp is a obd1

all i need is a yes or no

2 to 3 letters long how hard is that.

mean wile i will be looking but if someone out there knows then that would save me time and time for what you may ask to get this done. so i dont have to bother with people telling me to look things up that i am looking up but know answer is out there as fare as i have seen.

[Evo_Spec]

well think about several people coming to you and asking you how to do this swap all the time even though your standing beside a book on how to do it, if that wouldn't annoy you after a while, then congrats, as for me, i'd just start punching people in the face if they asked me after a while
if you look at some of the worklog here's it basically gives you a bolt by bolt guide on how to do this swap and people asking the questions that would be covered in those worklogs would be pretty annoying BUT everyone's car is different and everyone has different problems and we are more than willing to help with those less common/unique problems.

so instead of just kind of going off on you and not giving you an answer, i'll give you this link to a worklog that was very helpful to me when i did my swap.
http://www.mx-3.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=62251

[dude33694]

thanks for the link i have the parts all this started with someone telling me a sohc is hot swappable with a bpt. thats why all this had started more less. all i wanted was to see if anyone put up any docs on the bpt if not thats cool ill find something else and was also wondering if the bpt and the bp wiring were a match. if its a obd1 i know that part. and we got all this and going no where fast. but thats for the link again

In that link the harness interchangeability is discussed. Shows you aren't reading.

How about this....

VI-d. Engine Wiring Harness:

To simplify my findings, I made a list of three different style engine harnesses that are used for the non-OBDii B-series engines:

Style "A":
Found on 85-89 Mazda 323 & Tracer B6-E, Ford Festiva B3-E. This harness has a different style IAC valve plug that is blue in color, but still uses two wires. The distributor plug has three wires. The fuel injector harness includes the TPS sensor plug.

Style "B":
Found on 90-94 Mazda 323 B6-E & B6-ME, 90-94 Protege B8-ME and 92-93 MX-3 B6-ME. This harness has a newer style IAC valve plug that is used on all "driver side routed" intake manifold designs. The TPS sensor is part of the engine harnses and not the injector harness. This harness has a 3-plug distributor connector.

Style "C":
Found on the 90-94 Mazda Protege BP-ZE, 91-96 Ford Escort & Mercury Tracer BP-ZE. This harness has the newer style IAC valve plug, and its TPS sensor is not part of the injector harness. This harness includes an additional 2-wire plug for the variable induction control system solenoid (V.I.C.S.). This harness has a 4-plug distributor connector.

Unfortunately, I am unsure of what the 94-95 Mazda MX-3 has. I have a hunch it has the "Style B" harness.
Also the 94-97 Ford Aspire. I know they used MAF's instead of VAF's for airflow readings. Their harnesses might only be different in that area, but I am not familiar enough with them to post that information here.

Another thing to note is that all 1996 Ford Escorts and Mercury Tracers have an OBDii engine harness which is very different from the OBDi version. While there weren't many of these cars made, it might be very difficult to get your OBDi harness to work with the OBDii engine without swapping out all of its sensors.

Now that you know the differences in each wring harness, it should be easy for you to wire your new engine using your harness. Here is a quick rundown:

Style "A" to Style "B" Engine: you will need to get the IAC valve connector from the style B harness and splice it into your existing harness. There is a thicker wire and a thinner wire, just splice the thick and thin wire from the connector to the thick and thin wire on your harness. You will also need to remove the fuel injector harness from you new engine and reuse your old fuel injector harness to ensure the TPS works.

Style "A" to Style "C" Engine: You will need to do everything listed above and also get the two-wire connector from the VICS solenoid and route those two wires all the way to the two pinouts on the BP ECU you are using. You will also need to get a 4-wire distributor connector, and splice the three wires from your old harness, and route the forth wire to your new BP ECU.

Style "B" to Style "B": No splicing is necessary!

Style "B" to Style "C": You will need to get the two-wire connector from the VICS solenoid and route those two wires all the way to the two pinouts on the BP ECU you are using. You will also need to get a 4-wire distributor connector, and splice the three wires from your old harness, and route the forth wire to your new BP ECU pinout.

VI-e. ECU & TPS Notes:

Be sure to use the ECU from the car your new engine is from, otherwise the engine will not run at it's full potential (if at all). One thing to note is the differences between manual and automatic transmission cars. The TPS is different between these cars and will not interchange. 5-speed cars have a 2-plug ECU while Automatic transmission cars have a 3-plug ECU. Interchanging these ECU's will require serious splicing, so be sure to get the proper ECU for your car. It is also easier to get an engine from a car of the same style transmission to avoid the TPS interchangability problem.

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There's yer yes or no


/over and out

[Nd4SpdSe]

Teach a man to fish...

An engine swap, although somewhat easy, is complicated and there's alot involved. You talking like there's a just a few questions, than you're ready to swap motors, not the case. It's like having an assignment an asking questions before even reading the index. A good student reads the book to the best of his knowledge, has a basic understanding, than ask questions later.

If you're asking questions now, your going to be missing alot of information later when you're caught pants down in the middle of the swap. You can't get information on questions you can't ask cause you learnt to ask yet. Swaps don't go 100%, always the simple things, and it's in your best interest to know and be prepared. Best to know and recognise things as you're doing it rather than get ready to turn the key, it doesn't start, and you have no clue where to begin now....

Your only making this swap hard, whether we give you the answers or not, your lack of wanting to research WILL make this swap hard for you when you get to it. You'll just find out the hard way later.

Lately, us senior member have been bashed pretty hard because new members have been treated as "trolls" and the new ones think they know everything, they're far from it. Sadly, there's only a handful of us left that are active here, and we're the ones with the knowlege and experience. Once we're gone, there's no one here to hold your hand. Damn I'm still here and I don't even own an Mx-3 anymore, but 1) I still have knowledge to share and 2) I know what this site was at it's best, and am trying to preserve it and it's usefullnes. I don't have to be here anymore (and I'm sure there's alot of n00bs that would love it if I wasn't), but if we're not, and when we're not, you'll have no one to help you, and you will be there to fend only to yourself, this site at that point being only an archival source rather than a discussion board.

Wax on, wax off....

In that link the harness interchangeability is discussed. Shows you aren't reading.

See this guy, he's been here for a while, but only had 25 posts, but he knows info, and how to get it. Way to be!

[Ryan]

all i asked was

do bpts use the same harness as a bp if the bp is a obd1

all i need is a yes or no

2 to 3 letters long how hard is that.

mean wile i will be looking but if someone out there knows then that would save me time and time for what you may ask to get this done. so i dont have to bother with people telling me to look things up that i am looking up but know answer is out there as fare as i have seen.

No.


So.... now what will you do? If I were you, I'd care if it were one wire different, or majorly different...

[cricketol2]

ok know where getting places thanks you

ok know do i want to ask if there is a one wire different, or majorly different.
idk because you know and i really dont want to buy a book to find out the hard way.
or would i have to go threw all this again. you tell me

[Ryan]

You just proved our point...

read the FAQ. use this: http://www.mx-3.com/phpBB3/search.php

[cricketol2]

yea screw this site and get the book yea i know.

[Nd4SpdSe]

What book? All your information is here, but a service/shop manual is definitely a good thing too.

[cricketol2]

ok whats this cp site i found

[Nd4SpdSe]

Club Protege? Ya, it's a large community of Protete and 323 owners. If you're not aware, those are are, chassis wise, about 90% identical to an Mx-3, they do plenty of BP and BPT swaps over there too, probably more than here.

[cricketol2]

ok i would like to know what it is called so i can look it up. i need to know what the mount is between the trans and the mount under the battery tray.

and please dont tell me something stupid i looked up trans mount and its not there. i may have to look in a junk yard.

or if you could post a pic to even see if i have the right now sent to me that would be great but idk it would just be nice. not needed

[Mi|<E]

There are three mounts - Upper Transaxle mount,
Lower Transaxle mount and the Passenger side
mount.

Heres a picture of the Upper trans mount from a BP
(this is the bottom half that attaches to the transaxle)

[cricketol2]

thanks for that but i meant the part that goes between that part and the mount its self. but thats for the pic. and thats for a g trans right and all of them are interchangeable . so i can find it easier

i have that part was trying to see what it looks like to i dont get the wrong one