Mx-3 ZE On 4.11:1 Tranny = Slower?

Nd4SpdSe · Post by **Nd4SpdSe** » October 18th, 2006, 11:19 pm

I've been told recently that 2 guys (one with a ZE Mx-6 and another with a ZE MX-6 and ZE Mx-3) who dragged their cars experienced slower performance when using a 4.11:1 (Mx-6/626) tranny. I wanted to know what are the results of those who have that gear ratio.

Myself I have the ZX2 gearset with the MazdaSpeed Protege LSD waiting to get installed into my spare tranny, but now I'm kinda having seconds thought on that the outcome will be, but I know there are a few people with Mx6 trannys, and a few with the MSP LSD which apparently can only be installed in 4.11:1 gearset. Can anyone provide any information regarding their experienced with the 4.11:1 tranny?

max kl · Post by **max kl** » October 19th, 2006, 12:09 am

dang dude thats the parts i want for my kl trans.
i have run both at the track. with the k8 trans the wheel spin was inpossable to control the best i could do was 10.05 in the 8th
with the kl trans & no lsd wheel spin is controlable and the best so far 9.60 and one 9.40
the mx6 wheighs more and can use the lower gear ratio. mx3 is lighter and the taller ratio can better use the engines torque.
the sensation of speed is awsome it pulls so hard in 2nd with the kl trans.
1 more thing to consider in the 1/4 mile the k8 may have and advantage in 3rd & 4th gears when wheel spin is not a factor.
but the gasmilage and crusing rpm is nice.
i would love to buy your lsd and zx2 gear set if you decide on the k8 ratio.

hgallegos915 · Post by **hgallegos915** » October 19th, 2006, 12:17 am

whenever my trans blows yes im getting this transmission, i located for 200 dllrs
!! w00

yes wheelspeen with stock tranny and ze is HORRIBLE! AAA

wagZE · Post by **wagZE** » October 19th, 2006, 2:22 am

hgallegos915 wrote: yes wheelspeen with stock tranny and ze is HORRIBLE! AAA

I've noticed that aswell wheel hopping was worse w/ mx3 tranny. I have an MX6 tranny now, I don't know if I'm just imagining it but my mx-3 felt faster witht the mx3 tranny on. I don't know about top speed difference yet either I always seem to run out of straightaway or my girlfriend screams too much lol

mxmaz · Post by **mxmaz** » October 23rd, 2006, 11:37 pm

I am willing to bet that the shorter geared mx3 tranny will make for a quicker car. This is the only forum i have ever been on where people think longer gearing is better.

max kl · Post by **max kl** » October 24th, 2006, 12:15 am

this aint no honda forum.
kl s make torque
enuph torque not to need the extra mechanical advantage of lower gearing.
the lower gear ratio amplifies the torgue so much you get lotts of wheelspin
if you have a race preped car with lots of traction to he lower gear ratio would be the logical choice. but most of us have street cars.
it sux to try and pull away from a light and spinn your tires when you dont mean to.
[ hondas make little torque]

papa roached · Post by **papa roached** » October 24th, 2006, 2:27 am

guys, a good set of tires goes a VERY long way to controlling the spin, i have laucnhing mine down to a art and awsome tires, none or hardly any spin, nothing but pure throw you into your seat power and im rolling the stock MX trans AND i have a very nice selection of bolt ons to make a bit more power

mxmaz · Post by **mxmaz** » October 24th, 2006, 6:50 am

max kl wrote:this aint no honda forum.
kl s make torque
enuph torque not to need the extra mechanical advantage of lower gearing.
the lower gear ratio amplifies the torgue so much you get lotts of wheelspin
if you have a race preped car with lots of traction to he lower gear ratio would be the logical choice. but most of us have street cars.
it sux to try and pull away from a light and spinn your tires when you dont mean to.
[ hondas make little torque]

You just need to learn how to control your wheel spin, then shorter gears will be an advantage.

mx3autozam · Post by **mx3autozam** » October 24th, 2006, 8:40 am

I at one point wanted the mx6 4:11 final drive tranny but i'm unsure right now

I know someone who used to have a MX6 with a ZE he went through something like 4 trannies. 2 of them beingProbe?mx3 and anotehr ebing mx6. he said his car was about 3-4 tensths slower with the mx6 one. He always tells me to leave the mx3 tranny in the car. I've also heard that MX-6's trap higher in the quarter because of the tranny involved less shifting since the ratios a tad longer. But i still notice all the mx6 guys end up shifting to 4th gear just like we do. So I don't know.

But i hear with a mx6 tranny 2nd gear is really fun. long and has lots of torque.

jschrauwen · Post by **jschrauwen** » October 24th, 2006, 9:52 am

Mike, I would think that the MX3/PGT tranny would be best suited for the 1/4 mile. Then again, since you do the Auto-X thing also, I would think that it would have a negative effect in that area. Meaning more shifting required and less likely to be able to stay in the sweet spot (gear) while auto-X'ing. I believe the MX3 gearing was derived from the K8's low power output and high revving potential that helped in compensating those factors. Myself, I would love to finally get a 4.11:1 final drive in my ZE. Why?? - since there's obviously more power than the K8, I don't require that compensating factor any longer. Not to mention the gas savings and lower revs (approximately 800 rpm lower) that will will realized by switching. Of course these preferrences are based on the predominant highway miles I put on the MX since most people would spend more time on the highway than at a racetrack. I'd rather see myself "zooming" along the highway in the 3000 rpm band rather than the 4000rpm band that I'm usually in. Saves gas, wear and tear on the engine/tranny and of course is a little quieter. Of course it all comes down to preferrences doesn't it.

Nd4SpdSe · Post by **Nd4SpdSe** » October 24th, 2006, 1:21 pm

Well, actually some of the fast draggers complain that the Mx-3 gearing is too short...that if you go any faster you need 5th gear, even right now I redline in 4th at the end of the strip. You'd think that with the slightly longer gearing you' would stay in the powerband longer, getting more pull and staying away from the overdrive (5th) gear would be a good thing.

For AutoX, it's possible but i'll have to see. But right now I can do the course easilly in mostly 2nd gear (using 3rd on long streatches) and constantly spin the tires. I was talking to a guy who's laregly into it with a Civic and he said that an LSD will make a huge difference for AutoX. The LSD may be more beneficial, and even the longer gearing could mean, pending the course layout, I stay more in 2nd and use 3rd less.

I think it would also have to do with driving style as well.

For me it's hard to say, but you do make a good point there John with the gearing designed for the K8. As with everything about this car, it's a learning experience couple with alot of trial-and-error mods. I can't make a definitely conclusion until i try it myself.n I'll just have to do it, put some milleage on it and see.

max kl · Post by **max kl** » October 24th, 2006, 3:43 pm

mxmaz wrote:
max kl wrote:this aint no honda forum.
kl s make torque
enuph torque not to need the extra mechanical advantage of lower gearing.
the lower gear ratio amplifies the torgue so much you get lotts of wheelspin
if you have a race preped car with lots of traction to he lower gear ratio would be the logical choice. but most of us have street cars.
it sux to try and pull away from a light and spinn your tires when you dont mean to.
[ hondas make little torque]
You just need to learn how to control your wheel spin, then shorter gears will be an advantage.

o do i.... negitive captan but thanks for tryin

mxmaz · Post by **mxmaz** » October 24th, 2006, 8:39 pm

max kl wrote:
o do i.... negitive captan but thanks for tryin

You are contradicting yourself here. You are the one who said you spin through first gear without trying. That doesnt sound like you got your wheel spin under control to me. There are better ways to get traction rather then downgrading your tranny.

max kl · Post by **max kl** » October 24th, 2006, 9:07 pm

how much nos have you used? or turbo?
have you experinced 250+ wheel hp?
sorry i assume peaple read the bottom of the post.

but yes even with out nos the wheelspin was horrable. and i think it sux to lanch at idle and not hit wot till 3rd gear.

the Kumho Ecsta 711 are beter than the bfg ta radials i had before
kumo v710 the are auto cross tires but hook well i cant wait to get to the track
next bfg gforce drag radials

mxmaz · Post by **mxmaz** » October 24th, 2006, 9:17 pm

What bottom line? anyways........

max kl wrote: it sux to try and pull away from a light and spinn your tires when you dont mean to.

Dont be mad, you are the one who said it.