Kaaz LSD for g-series with 26 spline

inis · Post by **inis** » October 14th, 2005, 8:59 am

Kaaz LSD made for the zx2, will also fit any g-series tranny with 26 spline (I know it wont fit mx3 v6, and mazdaspeed protege, escape )

http://kctuners.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=563

Jarred
inis@kctuners.com

also, I dont visit here but maybe once a week , so may take a few to get back and answer the questions. But I'm ultimately doing the GB on that website, so it stays organized.

Thanks-

Mazda_Power · Post by **Mazda_Power** » October 14th, 2005, 4:37 pm

Wow... those are very nice. Too bad you couldn't get the price down a bit...

inis · Post by **inis** » October 14th, 2005, 8:42 pm

what do you mean?

PATDIESEL · Post by **PATDIESEL** » October 15th, 2005, 2:48 am

A clutch type diff for 1000+-.. Come on.

And to say it is better than a constantly locked diff with a lifetime guarantee under ANY conditions...
Sorry, but I'll take the Quaife for a few hundred more any day.

My .02

inis · Post by **inis** » October 15th, 2005, 2:13 pm

find me a quaife for "few hundred" more that is a direct bolt in.
One bid difference between torsen (quaife) and clutch is if the wheel is in the air torsen becomes useless, clutch type will still be working. Although we are all fwd I dont see many tuners/auto-x guys getting a front wheel off the ground.

I have also found alot of dsm guys prefer kaaz over other brands because it is stronger.

BuGS · Post by **BuGS** » October 15th, 2005, 6:07 pm

Well seeing that the MSP ones cost like $900 with shafts from corksport I would rather pay $100 less and get mazda OEM then aftermarket.

inis · Post by **inis** » October 15th, 2005, 7:02 pm

BuGS wrote:Well seeing that the MSP ones cost like $900 with shafts from corksport I would rather pay $100 less and get mazda OEM then aftermarket.

From what corksport has quoted everyone on feoa its 500 for the jackshaft and 600 for axles. But this is for the escort, not 100% sure the difference in axles. I do believe they are diff lengths on the mx-3.

bads about MSP diff (or the quaife aftermarket for the MSP) :
Not a direct bolt in- case needs modifing
Custom axles and since there custom, you break one your royally fucked and out some money to find someone to make more.
The MSP is a vicious Lsd
no warraunty (quaife does but its 1400 + axles)

Kaaz benefits:
can use stock or upgraded aftermarket axles
direct bolt in
comes with a lifetime warraunty
clutch style LSD (beneficial for auto-x)
Cheaper then hybriding a LSD from a MSP

PATDIESEL · Post by **PATDIESEL** » October 16th, 2005, 3:42 am

You do not have to modify the housing for a quaife. Maybe someone had a poor installer or maybe there is a difference in the G25 housing, but I doubt it. You need to bolt kit and some axles. However, if you run a gear type diff and do not break the OEM axles in a few weeks you didn't need the diff in the first place...
Ps, your post on the other forum sais price is not firm, between 900 and 1100 and more likely to be around 1100. Quaife is 1400 plus bolt kit for 100 and axles for 200 each. Kaaz for 1000 (middle of the road) plus axles 200 each IS 500 cheaper and maybe a good deal at that difference. However, it may have a lifetime warranty, but will they replace it if I race the car? How long will the clutches last if I race it? How much power are the clutches rated for?
If I have to rebuild the Kaaz LSD one time I've wasted my money.

PS, Buggs the MSP version will only hold just over 200 HP. I have a version of it on my ZE and my 180 WHP ZE can break the grip of the clutches turing it into a open diff basically.

inis, not trying to knock your offer, but trying to get good info and see the diference of my options. Thanks for your support of the G series tranny and your hard work on this group buy.

BuGS · Post by **BuGS** » October 16th, 2005, 4:04 pm

PATDIESEL wrote:PS, Buggs the MSP version will only hold just over 200 HP. I have a version of it on my ZE and my 180 WHP ZE can break the grip of the clutches turing it into a open diff basically.

I wasn't aware of that. I just know that guys with BPT's that are pushing like 200+ to the ground have had a lot of sucess. And I havn't heard of them having that problem. I talked to a guy with a MSP that is pushing close to 300 whp and he said he couldn't imagine the car without LSD. Didn't mention anything about it slipping.

inis · Post by **inis** » October 16th, 2005, 8:44 pm

PATDIESEL wrote:You do not have to modify the housing for a quaife. Maybe someone had a poor installer or maybe there is a difference in the G25 housing, but I doubt it. You need to bolt kit and some axles. However, if you run a gear type diff and do not break the OEM axles in a few weeks you didn't need the diff in the first place...
Ps, your post on the other forum sais price is not firm, between 900 and 1100 and more likely to be around 1100. Quaife is 1400 plus bolt kit for 100 and axles for 200 each. Kaaz for 1000 (middle of the road) plus axles 200 each IS 500 cheaper and maybe a good deal at that difference. However, it may have a lifetime warranty, but will they replace it if I race the car? How long will the clutches last if I race it? How much power are the clutches rated for?
If I have to rebuild the Kaaz LSD one time I've wasted my money.

PS, Buggs the MSP version will only hold just over 200 HP. I have a version of it on my ZE and my 180 WHP ZE can break the grip of the clutches turing it into a open diff basically.

inis, not trying to knock your offer, but trying to get good info and see the diference of my options. Thanks for your support of the G series tranny and your hard work on this group buy.

I appreciate your nice post instead of shitfaced like I'm getting everywhere.

I'll ask about the warraunty on replacing the cluthes and if you race. I know for a fact Kaaz supports racing because they have there own team, and support alot of DSM racing.

There is a few things here though:
Can use your oem axles, without ever having to worry about finding a axle or getting customs made ones (especially if you need that axle like yesterday, you'll be s--- out of luck)

Clutch type is better for racing, from what I read its harder to handle on smaller coarses (auto-x) but larger coarses and drag racing its prefered over torsen.

It will fit multiple cars that run 26 spline axles, not just one car. Making it a better product with less work for everyone.

I've heard even from the MSP guys the Quaife needs case modifying. I know for a fact one person that has it, but she never said anything about case modifying. I know the MSP does need modifying in the g5m case. (zx2)

I do have a MSP diff sitting in a tranny but axles are extremely hard to source.

Think of it this way, another option for g series tranny. Think I hate the most everyone knocks it like we have 20 other options when we dont have really ANY direct bolt in LSD's (26 spliners)

I'll get back to you on the warraunty, racing, clutch replacements (under warraunty or cost)

Jarred

inis · Post by **inis** » October 16th, 2005, 8:46 pm

BuGS wrote:
PATDIESEL wrote:PS, Buggs the MSP version will only hold just over 200 HP. I have a version of it on my ZE and my 180 WHP ZE can break the grip of the clutches turing it into a open diff basically.
I wasn't aware of that. I just know that guys with BPT's that are pushing like 200+ to the ground have had a lot of sucess. And I havn't heard of them having that problem. I talked to a guy with a MSP that is pushing close to 300 whp and he said he couldn't imagine the car without LSD. Didn't mention anything about it slipping.

Not slipping, breaking in half weld are weak and need modifying to hold more hp over all the design of the MSP lsd is very simple, I do not see it being very effective on higher hp cars (over 300)

Mazda_Power · Post by **Mazda_Power** » October 18th, 2005, 9:43 am

Kaaz is extremely strong. I can vouch for the one they made for the Honda B-Series transmission handling 700 hp.

jaydog5678 · Post by **jaydog5678** » October 18th, 2005, 7:11 pm

To my understanding the Quiafe's were made for the our G5-MR and G25-MR gearbox's BEFORE the ZX-2 was even released. One person on this board has the Quaife on his V-6 G5-MR trans. but wether or not he had to modify the casing is not really known on the earlier versions. It may be the case with the G5 gearbox, which is close to the G5-MR, but not 100% the same. With the Quaife, you can use the Mx's V-6 driver's side axle. It does get expensive on the stub shaft side however. I was quoted around $400 for an indestructable piece of steel from Corksport.

That's the bad part. I do know of someone in FL. that could possibly make one cheaper.

I like the idea of the Kazz. I would like to know more about it if you can give me details (Pat's warranty quest.). I've been looking at the Quaife for a long time but the price is just insane. I appreciate your interest in the matter.

PATDIESEL · Post by **PATDIESEL** » October 19th, 2005, 1:33 am

Fool, stay off my mod....

Aren't you still on vacation or something... jk. glad you are back

inis · Post by **inis** » October 21st, 2005, 7:26 pm

fyi: waiting on a update (email) from Kaaz about multiple questions.