Mazdaspeed MX-3

Famine · Post by **Famine** » August 15th, 2005, 2:14 pm

mx almere wrote:No, those are just e-spec standard GS side skirts. Nothing Mazdaspeed about that.

You're right - hadn't spotted that.

Still, I'm going to press him about the Vehicle Registration Document, it should be revealing. It could be he's bought it in good faith.

cjthor wrote:This thread is still going? There was NEVER a Mazdaspeed MX-3. A google search turns up nada. An MSN search..the same thing. Mazdaspeed makes almost NOTHING for the MX compared to like the Miata and Protege. I know you can get universal seats but they do not make seat rails for our car. I called a good friend at a Mazda dealership here in Portland and It was confirmed that MAZDASPEED MX-3 does NOT exist!!

I'd love to believe you (well, that's a lie. I wouldn't), but there's enough tantalising details sitting around out there for the determined digger, but nothing concrete at all. And, as I said earlier, a local Mazda-modifying specialist told me to my face that there was such a car (my local Mazda dealership, like Mazda UK, hadn't even heard of Mazdaspeed).

Until this weird thing turned up today, I'd pretty much given up - hence the 5 month lapse in posts. Well, I hadn't given up - I'd stopped caring. I've got a lot of spare time on my hands at the moment so I might start caring again. Or I might not.

atlantamx3 · Post by **atlantamx3** » August 15th, 2005, 4:15 pm

Famine wrote:
So... you're theorising based on no information - just your OWN supposition - and insulting me based on that? Go you! Superiority complex much?

The guy in question knows nothing about MX-3s in general - that much is evident. And, as I said, he bought it off the boat like that - so, there's not much chance that he's "bought the entire Mazdaspeed catalog" (sic) (which isn't available in the UK). But, since I already wrote that and you already read it, you knew all that, right? Then called ME a "tard"..

I'm digging as much information out of this guy as I can - a shot of the V5C (vehicle registration document) might prove useful.

We all have things we can bring to this discussion. atlantamx3, I suggest what you bring from now on is silence. Though you did earlier state that you'd investigated the Mazdaspeed MX-3 for hours, but didn't reveal HOW you investigated it - that would interest me, IF you could keep a civil tongue in your head (or whatever the typing equivalent is).

Wow

My own research includes owning my MX since 1999 and not only reading and visit tons of Mazdaspeed related sites, but asking my own questions of the various elder Mx-3 owners like you are doing now.

Face it- Mazda never sold a Mazdaspeed MX-3.

Mazdaspeed did, however, have many items in their catalog for the MX-3- which it appears that the owner (or previous owner) of the red MX was a buyer of.

The first "Mazdaspeed" vehicle that mazda officially sold was the Mazdaspeed Protege. Mazda would not sell a vehicle full of parts it did not even warranty or sell.

Also- I used what some might call COMMON SENSE.

IF Mazda ever produced/ Sold a Mazdaspeed MX-3- then dont you think that one of our 5000+ members on here would own one? Dont you think Mazda would produce more than ONE? Dont you think that more people than just YOU would have a picture or SOME Knowledge of it?

Back in the early 90's Mazdaspeed only sold aftermarket parts & accessories, and supported various racing programs.

Stop wasting your time- it doesn't exist man!

Famine · Post by **Famine** » August 15th, 2005, 5:06 pm

See how much better it is without the mudslinging?

atlantamx3 wrote:My own research includes owning my MX since 1999 and not only reading and visit tons of Mazdaspeed related sites, but asking my own questions of the various elder Mx-3 owners like you are doing now.

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Also- I used what some might call COMMON SENSE.

IF Mazda ever produced/ Sold a Mazdaspeed MX-3- then dont you think that one of our 5000+ members on here would own one? Dont you think Mazda would produce more than ONE? Dont you think that more people than just YOU would have a picture or SOME Knowledge of it?

And, as previously stated, I agree with this entirely. But, as I've mentioned several times to some Fundie Creationists this past month, just because something seems logical and intuitive, it doesn't necessarily follow that it is correct.

I like to pursue ALL avenues. At this point, most point to the non-existence of the car, as you state. Some point to shadowy half-truths. One troubles me greatly - how someone who told me very clearly that 24 were brought into the UK (strange number to pluck out of the air) also said that the KL03/KLZE is markedly heavier than the K8 and an engine swap with this would be a waste of time. He's clearly wrong about something there - but why this strange "24" number?

Until I get definitive responses from Mazda/Mazdaspeed Japan, I'm keeping an open mind. Of course, that could well be somewhere around the thirty-fifteenth of Never.

atlantamx3 wrote:Also- I used what some might call COMMON SENSE.

Ah, the most erroneously-named thought in the panoply available to humanity...

atlantamx3 · Post by **atlantamx3** » August 15th, 2005, 6:13 pm

Famine wrote:

Until I get definitive responses from Mazda/Mazdaspeed Japan, I'm keeping an open mind. Of course, that could well be somewhere around the thirty-fifteenth of Never.

You might not want to hold your breath on this one... I doubt they will answer you.

And so out of 5000 members of an MX-3 fanatic UBB... you will go on the word of some random guy who obviously is talking out of his a--.

On a side note: The ZE only weighs 3kg more than the k8-- so if he thinks that a 3 kg weight increase outweighs the benifits of nearly 70 HP-- then I wouldnt pay him a bit of attention.

Famine · Post by **Famine** » August 16th, 2005, 4:38 am

atlantamx3 wrote:
Famine wrote:

Until I get definitive responses from Mazda/Mazdaspeed Japan, I'm keeping an open mind. Of course, that could well be somewhere around the thirty-fifteenth of Never.
You might not want to hold your breath on this one... I doubt they will answer you.

And so out of 5000 members of an MX-3 fanatic UBB... you will go on the word of some random guy who obviously is talking out of his a--.

On a side note: The ZE only weighs 3kg more than the k8-- so if he thinks that a 3 kg weight increase outweighs the benifits of nearly 70 HP-- then I wouldnt pay him a bit of attention.

Normally I'd be inclined to agree. Even I know that's a load of old queef, and I know as much about engineering as a bowl of custard.

But it's a wierd number to say. Especially given that, if it turned out to be true, I'd end up not buying anything from him - not a good way to run a tuning business. It'd be easier to say "Never heard of it, mate. Tell you what though, I can do you some Tein suspension and..."

No disrespect intended to the populace of this site but you are, in the majority, North-America-based (no great shock there). As pointed out earlier in the thread, the UK is a more... eclectic market. We get wierd things you'd never get - moreso in the sportscar sector than any other. Nevertheless, both of us are attempting to retreive information on a car which, if it existed at all, would have had an exclusive market the other side of a VERY large piece of geography. The fact that nothing of relevance is returned on Google or MSN is unsurprising either - if it existed at all, it'd have been produced in 1995/6 or thereabouts, a couple of years before the internet as we know it really kicked in (three versions of IE and SIX versions of Windows ago) - and at least three years before this site was even created.

Still, you're right about Mazda Japan. You'd think in a society where politeness was nearly an obsession they'd at least take the time to provide an automated response. Looks like I'll have to break out my Japanese phrase book again. It's been a while...

"Wa-ta-shi wa Fa-mine..."

cjthor · Post by **cjthor** » August 16th, 2005, 2:56 pm

Famine wrote:
cjthor wrote:Waste of bandwidth!
Which of course you just assisted by replying!

(of course, the actual bandwidth taken up by this thread is miniscule - a measurement you may well be familiar with)

If this thread doesn't interest you then by all means feel free to look elsewhere on the forum. No-one's forcing you to look, and no-one's forcing you to reply.

I spoke with Charles Akley. He works for Mazda and is product knowledge specialist for the Mazdaspeed divison on the West Coast.. He assured me that there was NEVER EVER EVER a Mazdaspeed MX3. He has been working with mazda longer than I have been alive....and im 27. I asked him if maybe Mazda had made one for overseas release. He was adamant that there was never one made, one thought of being made, or one halfway made and scrapped.

Famine · Post by **Famine** » August 16th, 2005, 3:04 pm

cjthor wrote:I spoke with Charles Akley. He works for Mazda and is product knowledge specialist for the Mazdaspeed divison on the West Coast.. He assured me that there was NEVER EVER EVER a Mazdaspeed MX3. He has been working with mazda longer than I have been alive....and im 27. I asked him if maybe Mazda had made one for overseas release. He was adamant that there was never one made, one thought of being made, or one halfway made and scrapped.

Duly taken on board - but the underlined part gives me pause.

If it's quite alright by you, I'll wait until someone from the heart of the company gives me a response before ruling out the possibility completely. But it's nice that you've investigated on my behalf. Thank you.

BADMX3 · Post by **BADMX3** » August 16th, 2005, 3:11 pm

firstly i'm a fellow yorkshireman,

however sorry to disappoint matey but your insurance wouldn't pay out if you didn't declare the mazdaspeed parts no matter what happens. your car is registered as the model it is... if it's modified from that you'll pay extra but hell i'm 24 with no claims and mines £400 fully comp all mods declared.

+ i have never in all my jap import scene heard of a mazdspeed presso / mx3 i've heard a load of bolloxs when there is a mazdaspeed part present but no actual model...

in regards to buying parts i've imported:
spoiler,
2 * side skirts,
front evo bumper,
rear bumper,
rear lights,
civic projectors,
manifolds and downpipe,
indiglow dials,
gauge pods,
dial c.f surround,
strut braces,
clutch,
air intake,
oil + rad caps

all fine so don't worry> yeah you may get ripped off but it won's cost alot

Famine · Post by **Famine** » August 16th, 2005, 3:32 pm

BADMX3 wrote:firstly i'm a fellow yorkshireman,

however sorry to disappoint matey but your insurance wouldn't pay out if you didn't declare the mazdaspeed parts no matter what happens. your car is registered as the model it is... if it's modified from that you'll pay extra but hell i'm 24 with no claims and mines £400 fully comp all mods declared.

Yes - I covered that earlier. I'd never even think of not declaring parts.

However, the initial point - now long lost - was that it is possible to uprate a car to higher specification and have the car reclassified as the higher spec car by the manufacturer. If the manufacturer changes the model - as declared on form V5C - then it attracts the premium of an unmodified car, as opposed to the a---reaming you get from having a modified one. This has actually happened with an acquaintance of mine, who has a Type 25 Lotus Elise, originally manufactured and registered as a standard S2 Elise. Lotus carried out the work, under his direction and reclassified the car as a Type 25, providing him with a certificate and a plaque inside the car to say that it was the 151st model of 150 made (or the equivalent - I don't recall how many Type 25s were made). This attracted the insurance premium of a standard Type 25 Elise, rather than the significantly higher premium of a modified S2 Elise.

It's all long-winded and bizarre, but that's the UK for you.

BADMX3 wrote:+ i have never in all my jap import scene heard of a mazdspeed presso / mx3 i've heard a load of bolloxs when there is a mazdaspeed part present but no actual model...

Noted.

For what it's worth, I don't think there is one either. However, proving that something doesn't exist is a lot harder than proving that it does ("absence of proof is not proof of absence" - you can tell I've been hanging around Creationists for too long... ). Final word on this matter rests in the Land of the Rising Sun, for me.

BADMX3 wrote:in regards to buying parts i've imported:
spoiler,
2 * side skirts,
front evo bumper,
rear bumper,
rear lights,
civic projectors,
manifolds and downpipe,
indiglow dials,
gauge pods,
dial c.f surround,
strut braces,
clutch,
air intake,
oil + rad caps

Lawks! All for a V6 or the 1.6?

All your own work, or did you get a garage to do it (and if so, who?). No bugger around here even knows what the thing is - and the poor old Probe Owners' Club are just as troubled.

One thing I am interested in is smoked taillights - I loathe "Lexus-style" ones and the similar ones with the "CF effect" inlaid. It seems you know where to get the stuff (judging by that little list!) so any help is appreciated. I think it'd be better in the form of a Private Message though, if that's okay.

mitmaks · Post by **mitmaks** » August 16th, 2005, 7:31 pm

good luck on your mazdaspeed mx-3 project

cjthor · Post by **cjthor** » August 17th, 2005, 5:47 pm

I emailed Mazda a few days ago and here is what I got back..PS this is Mazda corporate...not mazda USA
Hello Jarid,

Thank you for contacting Mazda Global Operations. I appreciate
the opportunity to respond to you.

In answer to your question, I'm not aware of Mazda ever having a
MAZDASPEED MX-3.

Again, thank you for contacting Mazda. It has been my pleasure to
assist you. Please feel free to reply to this message with any further
questions or comments.

Please take a moment to give us your opinion about our e-mail service.
Click or paste the link below to complete a brief, online survey.

Regards,

Heather B.
Specialist, Customer Assistance E-Business

Famine · Post by **Famine** » August 18th, 2005, 5:33 am

cjthor wrote:I emailed Mazda a few days ago and here is what I got back..PS this is Mazda corporate...not mazda USA

Again, thank you for investigating on my behalf. However, Heather Berger works for Mazda USA. This doesn't invalidate anything she said in any way - though note the wording (she is "not aware", rather than ruling it out completely) - I'd merely prefer an answer in kana...

I have to say again that all available evidence, bar one piece of heresay, is pointed against the existence of the car and, as a result, it is at best highly unlikely it ever existed. This is not in doubt. Certainly nothing coming out of North America even hints at it. But, as I said earlier, proving that something does not exist is a lot harder than proving that it does.

I do, however, have one unresolved issue from this thread. You quite clearly stated that Charles Akley:

was adamant that there was never one made, one thought of being made, or one halfway made and scrapped.

And yet in the very beginnings of this thread we have:

See the red MX-3 in the main banner of the site?

THAT is THE Mazdaspeed MX-3.

One long-standing member says that there was ONE - presumably a styling exercise, or rolling test bed for parts, or show vehicle - and yet another quotes a Mazda source saying there was never "one thought of being made"

As I said earlier, without any offence intended to the membership here, especially those who have gone out of their way to assist in this matter, there is a reason why I do not rely solely on the words of others (especially posted on an internet forum) and will only give up properly when Mazdaspeed Japan themselves tell me that the car never existed (bar the pictured example).

Nevertheless, thank you again for your efforts.

atlantamx3 · Post by **atlantamx3** » August 18th, 2005, 8:44 am

Yes I made that quote.

That Red MX-3 was the parts vehicle from Mazdaspeed- but was never SOLD as a MAZDASPEED vehicle.

Back when that car was released, MAZDASPEED had little to no affiliation with Mazda- they were an AFTERMARKET tuner like HKS. They only thing they had in common with Mazda was the first part of their name.

So If HKS takes a Mazda RX-7 and supes it up with all of their parts- they cannot resell it as an HKS RX-7.

So you are really just beating the dead horse here.

MAZDA NEVER MADE A MAZDASPEED MX-3. MAZDA NEVER SOLD A MAZDASPEED MX-3. A MAZDASPEED MX-3 WAS NEVER AVAILABLE FOR SALE ANY PLACE, ANYWHERE, EVER.

Famine · Post by **Famine** » August 18th, 2005, 10:15 am

You've got a Microsoft keyboard like mine. The shift key keeps sticking.

Why get all worked up? If I want to waste my time, as it may well turn out (though I'd say a definitive answer from the horse's - dead or otherwise - mouth isn't a waste of time, whatever it may be), then I will. Tetchiness isn't likely to dissuade me, now is it?

atlantamx3 · Post by **atlantamx3** » August 18th, 2005, 10:44 am

Famine wrote:You've got a Microsoft keyboard like mine. The shift key keeps sticking.

LOL

Famine wrote:
Tetchiness

I had to look that one up, although I had a good idea what it meant...

Tetchiness: [noun] feeling easily irritated

What bugs me is that you keep posting back here with your useless findings like they are really a big deal after everyone here has told you the answer you are looking for.

Just because we are in North America doesnt mean that we dont know about what other models/options were available in other markets. If one Mazdapseed version was sold, this board would know about it. If 24 mazdaspeed versions were sold, this board would know about it.

Why come to an MX-3 forum for advice on your quest and then deny all of our knowledge?