KYB vs ZX2 Strut Deathmatch

[ProtegeSTS]

Originally posted by Sam Baker:
hey not to say that you guyz who have zx2's have bad setups at ALL! i mean.. stiff springs and soft struts are a nice combo, since you wont bottom out and it still keeps the stiff cornering ability. but thats all springs (especially if you have zx2s).. ALSO!! ZX2 struts are OIL instead of GAS! i just thought that was lame.. lol but hey only my opinion and i know there are better springs than Intrax, so sorry if i offend anybody.. but i really dont see what the big deal is about zx2's, besides the fact that they are able to go lower and support stiffer springs. i mean, mazdaspeed struts can do that right?
~ sam

Umm, ALL struts are oil AND gas, including the ZX2 struts.

Please have a freaking clue before posting.

[ProtegeSTS]

Originally posted by Sam Baker:
o... and about the "SPEED of compression and rebound".. it was soooo easy to push the piston down, and i found a *little* force when it was coming back up.. but doesnt that mean if i hit a huge bump in the road, my car will slam down, and then take longer to get back up, thus leaving more room for slamming? LOL

Again, you cannot comprehend or whatever...

it doesn't matter *IF* you can push them down with your hand. You can't do it as fast as a car is going to apply force, and thats what the strut is trying to do.

your car will NOT slam down...

[quicksliver]

*SIGH* when will you people learn KYB GR-2's are just a simple oem replacement. I don't know why ProtegeSTS and/or myself even try sometimes.

[Sam Baker]

ok forget what i've said.. i dont care LOL.. (but yes those are oil struts - oil and air.. instead of gas.. and they are soooo lame because the valving is screwy but i dont even care) because i'm not able to "comprehend" how "good" these things are. SO i'm puttin them up for sale in a few days.. all pieces: the struts, bearings, and drilled-out strut perches. so if anybody thinks they really want them (for eibach, ST, and others) i'll give u a good deal, since I DONT WANT EM! lol anywayz i wanna end this before u guyz decide to fly over here and kick my *** hahaha
~ sam

[ProtegeSTS]

Originally posted by Sam Baker:
ok forget what i've said.. i dont care LOL.. (but yes those are oil struts - oil and air.. instead of gas.. and they are soooo lame because the valving is screwy but i dont even care) because i'm not able to "comprehend" how "good" these things are. SO i'm puttin them up for sale in a few days.. all pieces: the struts, bearings, and drilled-out strut perches. so if anybody thinks they really want them (for eibach, ST, and others) i'll give u a good deal, since I DONT WANT EM! lol anywayz i wanna end this before u guyz decide to fly over here and kick my *** hahaha
~ sam

what do you think air is? a liquid?

the valving is screwy now? hahaha, ok

[quicksliver]

Again, i just want to make it very clear for the guys thinking about doing the ZX2 Conversion...that there is absolutely nothing wrong with em'. Just because you can compress em' with you're bare hand doesn't mean they suck and/or are screwed. They are also very cost efficient!

If you have any questions about the ZX2 Conversion drop me a message on MSN (zytariuk@hotmail.com) i'll be glad to help you.

For the record, i've been running ZX2's paired with Suspension Technique lowering springs for about 12 months (~50,000km) now and they have been a rock soild strut in terms of performance...even in the winter with all that salt/sand they are currently being exposed to. I have exactly 5 inches of ground clearance from the bottom driver side part of GS Lip (See pic below).

But hey, if you want to listen to the guy (Sam Baker) that has duct tape wrapped around his intake, little 'zoom zoom' decal on his trunk, and a cute little sparco cell phone seat over top of his vents...all the power to you. Just don't come crying when you find out you're KYB GR-2's can't handle a decent drop worth ****! Oh and yah, Mazdaspeed struts are very nice struts...if you got a lot of extra money sitting around.

<small>[ January 08, 2004, 07:04 PM: Message edited by: Quick Sliver ]</small>

[Sam Baker]

OUCH! i posted this morning that i was gonna sell my stuff, and a few hours later i got offers for everything! and guys.. u dont have to be mad or pissed off about me saying that these struts are weak.. because thats just how i feel! i had a bad experience..

they may work for you but they werent for me. Just because you like the struts doesnt mean they're the best. i was told by Gro Harlem and many others.. maybe even YOU that they were awesome, so i bought them. when i pulled em out of the box, it was shocking how weak they were. i dont care if speed of compression is a factor.. they gave me no suspension other than springs, and you all know that my springs are crap. so thank you but no. simply not for me.

so dont hate man.. no need to dis my "zoom zoom" OK??? lol i'll just be happy to get rid of them.. but if the person i sell them to posts a problem, then there is something wrong. anywayz, i hope no one has trouble sleeping because some guy said their struts were lame. :p peace

~ sam

<small>[ January 08, 2004, 09:44 PM: Message edited by: Sam Baker ]</small>

[Talon_66]

How would ZX2 struts be on H&R Springs? <---- Anyone got the answer to this?

[ProtegeSTS]

Originally posted by Sam Baker:
and guys.. u dont have to be mad or pissed off about me saying that these struts are weak.. because thats just how i feel! i had a bad experience..

I get upset when people with absolutely no idea how something works decides to post to the world how horrible something is, how it sucks because of things that don't matter, and then ARGUE with people who understand the concepts with bull****.

when i pulled em out of the box, it was shocking how weak they were. i dont care if speed of compression is a factor.. they gave me no suspension other than springs, and you all know that my springs are crap. so thank you but no. simply not for me.

You shouldn't post about things you STILL don't understand. Try to actually read, or comprehend every so often...

didn't give you "no suspension"? What the hell? The struts aren't supposed to hold the car up, or "give you more suspension". They're ONLY job is to dampen the movement of the springs. They don't "absorb" shocks, they don't make the ride stiffer, they don't do anything like that. The ONLY thing they do is change the dampning characteristics of whatever spring you have.

And they ARE gas and oil, like every other shock.

so shut the hell up or bring up some good info...

it's like saying tire durameter actually corelates to grip with a tire. To anyone who thinks so, go buy a set of RE92s.

<small>[ January 09, 2004, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: ProtegeSTS ]</small>

[992mmx3]

This week on SMACKDOWN!!1

[Sam Baker]

*hokai..
what i meant by "no suspension" was that they didnt help my springs at all. i felt no dampening there. o_0 i'm sorry for spreading word of my feelings about these struts, but isnt that what this board is about?! people a few months ago started up SH** about dropzones, and nobody biitched or had fits.. some people may have liked the stiffness of the springs, but most people just thrashed em. well, i am just one of those people who dislikes zx2's, stated my opinions about the .5" drop, strength, and how it felt in ride quality. but quicksilver and protege just wanna fight!! i dont care guys!
~ sam

[quicksliver]

We aren’t fighting. We are simply correcting you're wrong assumptions that you have been posting trying to act like you know what you’re talking about.

a) ZX2 Struts are in fact gas AND oil struts!
b) The ZX2 Strut base is .5 of an inch shorter than the OEM strut base of the stock mx-3 struts.
c) KYB GR-2 struts are a simple OEM replacement strut and can not handle (for very long at least) a drop of more than 1.5 inches.

END OF SUBJECT. The above threee bullets are 100% correct

[curtklze]

1) get into a swimming pool.
2) move your arm through the water slowly. notice how easy it moves.
3) now move your arm very fast, notice all the resistance, and how the water "dampens" your movements.

This is how a shock or strut works.

All modern shocks and struts are filled with oil, this is what provides the dampening effect.

most Performance shocks have a gas added under pressure to keep the oil from foaming up durring hard use. The are called "Gas Charged", when the oil foams it wond dampen as well and you lose performance.

Monster Trucks use Nitrogen shocks, they are only filled with Gas and have no oil in them,they act like air bags and support the weight of the truck and have super long travel.

1) if your shocks have no dampening (defective) then the spring will be free to bounce up and down as much as it wants, so you will get alot of vibration when you wheel goes ove a bump in the road or the car will bounce up and down over dips in the road, (remember Uncle Buck's big as ford bouncing down the road).

[Street-Import]

Here is how the tokico ZX2 heavy duty & eibach pro kit look like

<img src="http://digitalcreation.ca/mx3/eibach_springs.jpg" alt=" - " />

<img src="http://digitalcreation.ca/mx3/tokico_struts.jpg" alt=" - " />

Cant wait to get them on!

[Sam Baker]

ya thats a perfect combo rite there pat! cant wait to see the final low-car-shot! but damn look at that packaging.. LOL cant ford do better than that? peace ppl!
~ sam