Poll: Do you think using NOS is cheating

[Rayman]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Drej:<BR><STRONG>It isn;t free too refill - yes. However the the money you save by going with N2O rather then turbo or SC is enought to refill your bottle more then a few dozen times!<BR>Not to mention - you ware your engine out faster by adding more hp. So by running N2O only when you need/want it you effectively prolong the life of your modified engine.<P>More power, more heat. More heat, more ware. Just physics.</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>TC are known (when tuned correctly) to help the car run more efficiently by burning fuel more efficiently....true that TC will add more wear and tear and shorten engine life from the extra beating, BUT nitrous is worse, its more violent of a combustion right on top of the pistons, thats why most N2O installers will tell u to go with forged pistons for nitrous....they are more so necessary than with TC....i know most people are running stock internals with N2O but dont let that fool u in thinking thats all u need....theres a reason why nitrous is not street legal and TCs are....HINT: one is safer than other

[Brainless]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rayman:<BR><STRONG>its cheating in my book.....and also NOS is not street legal.....and refilling the bottle isnt free either</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well it's ok to have an opinion but can you explain me why you think it's cheating? Sorry I just don't understand.

[93mxrgs]

i can explain why he thinks its cheating, LOL he musta got beat by a guy sprayin a geo metro LOL

[Rayman]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brainless:<BR><STRONG><P>Well it's ok to have an opinion but can you explain me why you think it's cheating? Sorry I just don't understand.</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>well just my opinion like u said...its something UNnatural being SPRAYED into ur intake...whereas TCs/SCs are still NATURAL air...granted its compressed but its still in a natural O2 state....not some manufactured laughing gas....<P>and if that doesnt satisfy u, heres another reason....most people (mainly ricers i have dealt with) would try to race u and happen to NOT mention they have a bottle in their trunk, a group of my POC members hung out one nite and bunch of honda ricers showed up and wanting to race us (esp. my friend who has the ZE) and he has a stock civic HX or something....asked him to popped the hook he did, and theres an obvious line going to his intake but he just said thats just a bypass sensor or some BS he said, and when we asked him to pop the trunk he refused....and they were wanting to race for rims (morons dont even know that our rims wont even fit theirs)....<P>so in that sense i think its cheating cuz most people wont be straight up about having it and try to claim it a stock ride and then spray on u.....<P>and NO i didnt get beat by a geo metro :p trust me if i did, i'd tell everybody <P>butnitrous or not....soon it wouldnt matter to me either way

[boostedmx]

nitrous is not cheating. getting nitrous tuned correctly is a project in itself. both turbo and nitrous have their ups and downs. their is a minor difference from what nitrous and turbo actually do. one pulls and one pushes the air in from the outside. they are both engine mods and should be treated equally. just because one is cheaper and easier to install doesnt mean it is cheating -- it means that you are getting the most for your money.

[ProtegeSTS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by boostedmx:<BR><STRONG> their is a minor difference from what nitrous and turbo actually do. one pulls and one pushes the air in from the outside. </STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>A turbo uses the engine's wasted thermal and mechanical energy to propel even more air into the engine, as a big cycle. You get more power by cramming more air into the combustion chamber.<P>Nitrous just increases the percentage of oxygen in the combustion chamber to produce extra power.<P>The simple fact remains that Nitrous is the least useful form of getting power.

[boostedmx]

its cheaper, easier to install and gets the job done very well if you ask me---seems very useful in my eyes. besides if two cars raced, both with the same hp-one with turbo the other with nos. the one with nos would definately win because of instant power -no lag. then you can turn it off and drive home with the same fuel economy you came with. if it were cheating they wouldnt allow it in the nhra. <BR> besides i dont need a lesson on how a turbo and nitrous work. and still stand by the fact that they accomplish the same thing in different ways. but thanks for the lesson anyway<BR> <p>[ December 31, 2001: Message edited by: boostedmx ]

[ProtegeSTS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by boostedmx:<BR><STRONG>its cheaper, easier to install and gets the job done very well if you ask me---seems very useful in my eyes. besides if two cars raced, both with the same hp-one with turbo the other with nos. the one with nos would definately win because of instant power -no lag. then you can turn it off and drive home with the same fuel economy you came with. if it were cheating they wouldnt allow it in the nhra. <BR> besides i dont need a lesson on how a turbo and nitrous work. and still stand by the fact that they accomplish the same thing in different ways. but thanks for the lesson anyway<BR> <P>[ December 31, 2001: Message edited by: boostedmx ]</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>If you have ever talked to turbo people, or knew how they worked, you would realize that you wont nessacerily burn any more gas than with a NA engine. <P>And in a race, the Nitrous powered car wont be able to use the nitrous in 1st gear, without traction problems at least.<P>And try turning your car when you hit the nitrous...doesnt work too well, does it?<P>Then there is the cost and annoyance of having to re-fill bottles. And the fact that nitrous is harder on your driveline than a turbo.

[ProtegeSTS]

Also, Nitrous IS illegal to use on public roads......after a bit of research, ive found the following...<P>SS 22-404.5. Power booster systems prohibited; exceptions.<P>Statute text<P>(a) Definitions.- In this section, "power booster system" means any device installed in a motor vehicle which allows liquid nitrous oxide to combine with gasoline for the purpose of increasing engine power.<P>(b) Use prohibited.- Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section, a person may not operate on a highway a motor vehicle equipped with a power booster system.<P>(c) Exceptions.- A person may operate on a highway a motor vehicle equipped with a power booster if:<P>(1) The vehicle is enroute to or from a track where the vehicle is used for racing and the power booster system is inoperative; or<P>(2) The container of nitrous oxide has been removed from the vehicle.<P><BR>So....like ive said, do whatever you want.

[solak321]

just because its illegal doesn't mean people don't use it. street racing is illegal, and i'm sure close to all the people who've replied here race.

[ProtegeSTS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by solak321:<BR><STRONG>just because its illegal doesn't mean people don't use it. street racing is illegal, and i'm sure close to all the people who've replied here race.</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Thats not the point.<P> [img]shrug.gif"%20border="0[/img]