Is it possible?

[VizualXTC]

I am planning on getting the KL_ZE when I get my taxes back, and have been thinking about ideas on what to do with the engine I currently have. I was thinking I may bore the cylindars out to 2.0L or 2.3L w/ forged pistons. Stiffen up the bottom end, and then put the turbo off a wrecked 93 Eclipse w/intercooler. Definatly polish the heads, and maybe put in new cams. Then I will prolly put it for sell on e-bay or something like that. Does anyone have any other ideas I could do with my current 1.8L, short of s----canning it? Also, does anyone know where I can find pistons that would work for a 2.0L or a 2.3L V6? Thanks for the input peeps.

[pelado]

You're not getting a KLZE until you get your taxes back but you're willing to spend just as much money (or probably more) to turbo your 1.8L? This does not compute. If you file early, then you'll have the money in hand long before your turbo 1.8L would be finished (if you have as much spare time as most of us do, which isn't much).<P>I'll humor your post and just state that custom pistons are available from companies like Arias. They make pistons to order for $100-200 each, which is cheap for a custom piston. You'll need to have your stock cams reground since no one makes performance cams out of any kind for a Mazda. You'll need a couple of sets of cams as you try to find the ideal setup. The cam grinder will probably tell you that minimal overlap between the intake and exhaust profiles is necessary for a turbo, around 110 degrees I think. You'll need a waste gate controller, popoff valve, high flow injectors and fuel pump, and a custom ECM to manage it all. Plan on multiple trips to a shop with a dyno if you really want to sort it out right. I left out a lot of other stuff but you can search the archives for pistons and turbos, there are a lot of posts on these. Good luck!

[VizualXTC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pelado:<BR><STRONG>You're not getting a KLZE until you get your taxes back but you're willing to spend just as much money (or probably more) to turbo your 1.8L? This does not compute. If you file early, then you'll have the money in hand long before your turbo 1.8L would be finished (if you have as much spare time as most of us do, which isn't much).<P>I'll humor your post and just state that custom pistons are available from companies like Arias. They make pistons to order for $100-200 each, which is cheap for a custom piston. You'll need to have your stock cams reground since no one makes performance cams out of any kind for a Mazda. You'll need a couple of sets of cams as you try to find the ideal setup. The cam grinder will probably tell you that minimal overlap between the intake and exhaust profiles is necessary for a turbo, around 110 degrees I think. You'll need a waste gate controller, popoff valve, high flow injectors and fuel pump, and a custom ECM to manage it all. Plan on multiple trips to a shop with a dyno if you really want to sort it out right. I left out a lot of other stuff but you can search the archives for pistons and turbos, there are a lot of posts on these. Good luck!</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Thanks for the info and sorry for the confusion. I'm not doing the mods to my engine now. I'm waiting till I get my KL_ZE installed. I can't be without a car for that long. I know what's needed for all this, just needed to know where I could get the pistons. The fuel pump and injectors aren't needed because this engine will never be run in my MX-3. I am going to sell it when I'm finished. I'm still not certain I'm doing all this. I'm just thinking of different things to do with the K8 after it's not needed by me anymore. The 2.0L conversion is just a thought, prolly not feasable on my budget. Just trying to get ideas. It seems stupid to throw away a perfectly good engine, and really who am I going to find to but my engine if it's stock?

[ProtegeSTS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pelado:<BR><STRONG>You're not getting a KLZE until you get your taxes back but you're willing to spend just as much money (or probably more) to turbo your 1.8L? This does not compute. If you file early, then you'll have the money in hand long before your turbo 1.8L would be finished (if you have as much spare time as most of us do, which isn't much).<P>I'll humor your post and just state that custom pistons are available from companies like Arias. They make pistons to order for $100-200 each, which is cheap for a custom piston. You'll need to have your stock cams reground since no one makes performance cams out of any kind for a Mazda. You'll need a couple of sets of cams as you try to find the ideal setup. The cam grinder will probably tell you that minimal overlap between the intake and exhaust profiles is necessary for a turbo, around 110 degrees I think. You'll need a waste gate controller, popoff valve, high flow injectors and fuel pump, and a custom ECM to manage it all. Plan on multiple trips to a shop with a dyno if you really want to sort it out right. I left out a lot of other stuff but you can search the archives for pistons and turbos, there are a lot of posts on these. Good luck!</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>A good cam guy should be able to build a petty decent setup on the first try. Also, your comment about nobody making cams is wrong. B6 and BP engines have a few, expensive, but good cams available from Toda racing....all new billets, not regrinds, and in about 20 different lift and duration setups.

[93mxrgs]

gude makes cams for the gs

[pelado]

Thanks guys! I'm always eager to illicit responses by posting erroneous information!

[VizualXTC]

I read on Jeff Abrams site that there was a K series engine (KF) that was a 2.0L DOHC V6. If I was to bore out my cylindars to 2.0L would the KF series pistons work for my engine? Also, does anyone know what those pistons (of course with the KF rods) would put my compression ratio? If not does anyone know where I can read up on the KF engine? Thanks for the info.

[eunosads]

why would you wanna spend all that money on an engine that you aren't ever gunna use?? surely you wouldn't even get your money back.. let alone make a profit.. what benefit would the rebuild be?<p>[ December 25, 2001: Message edited by: eunosads ]

[VizualXTC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eunosads:<BR><STRONG>why would you wanna spend all that money on an engine that you aren't ever gunna use?? surely you wouldn't even get your money back.. let alone make a profit.. what benefit would the rebuild be?<P>[ December 25, 2001: Message edited by: eunosads ]</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>If I didn't make a profit by means of money, I would sure profit from the knowledge gained, and also I think it would be alot of fun.

[Sonic]

Building that engine would be a total waste dude. Ok, you bore it out to a 2.0L and keep the same stroke. Wow, now you have a KF_ZE for the most part. You can pick those up for like a grand. It's a 2.0L V-6 used in the MX-6, 626, and Lantis I belive (the small engine that came in those cars). It produces 164 or so hp too. Ok, bore AND stroke it... Now you have a KL engine.... You will not come close to getting your money back, really<P>I would just strip it down and sell off the parts.<P>You have the weakest K-series engine ever made along with the smallest production V-6 ever made. People can easily spend $1,500-$1,800 and just get a KL_ZE. Where yours will cost WAY more than that and you or the person buying it won't even know if it works. And no aftermarket fuel system? So people will have to spend all that extra money just to make it work. A person who would buy a pre-built engine like that most likley does not know alot about engines or they would build their own to their own specs.<P>---Or some one could just buy a 1.8L BPT engine and put a turbo upgrade on it and have INSANE power for like under 3 grand. Insane power to the point where it would be dangerous do drive the car unless you knew what you actully had. <P>Just my thoughts... There is nothing worth doing on that engine (K8) building wise. And personally, I'd rather buy a low milage Japanese engine than a "built" engine from some guy who wants to build an engine for "experience". sorry [img]shrug.gif"%20border="0[/img] Your talking about a MAJOR project that takes engine builders years to get down right...<p>[ December 25, 2001: Message edited by: Sonic ]

[SE-Man]

Geeezzz....<BR>give the man a brake, I'm sure he understands the idea. I got lucky a mechanic i know just wanted to build a bored out Import engine, so i bought a brand-new 1.8 and he worked it up to 2.2L, i beleave he used a turbo MR2 pistons. the expexted hp is 150, and tourque is close by it. the set up gives me alot of tourque (arourd 150, est.\guess) for the measly 15hp gain. But hell I only had to pay for the engine and he did it for the experiance.<p>[ December 31, 2001: Message edited by: SE-Man ]

[ProtegeSTS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 93mxrgs:<BR><STRONG>gude makes cams for the gs</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Gude also has a really good reputation NOT being able to build anything decent other than D-series honda motors.....hence the Custom comment.

[93mxrgs]

ohh i c.. well no need to get snoody bout it.