What Engine Could Replace the KLZE?

Daninski · Post by **Daninski** » November 2nd, 2012, 8:02 pm

Ok, right off the bat I have no definitive answer to my question. I think swapping a ZE into your car at this stage of the game isn't the best game plan. The engines are too old and have been sitting around for how many years? They make for an excellent daily driver but passing emissions for some people is getting harder and harder with the tightened regulations. In Ontario your car has to pass original vehicle standards now regardless if you have a Hot Rod status letter from the dealer or not. So what's it going to be, what new engine can we look at here. Suggestions.

MrMazda92 · Post by **MrMazda92** » November 2nd, 2012, 8:48 pm

The duratec 30(or 3.0 V6).

I drove a Ford Taurus SES around for a few months with one(200 BHP, 205 lb/ft Tq)

Not bad for a 4 door, if it handled better it would have been fun. The engine dimensions are similar to a K series, and there is great potential for transmission upgrades.

The new V6 Mustang engine is a descendant of this, if I'm not mistaken. The Taurus got low-mid 20s around town though, granted the car weighs quite a bit more than an MX-3.

BornSticky · Post by **BornSticky** » November 2nd, 2012, 8:55 pm

my friend has a 2008 ford fusion v6 it looks like the same engine as a ze but with more plastic on it

Evo_Spec · Post by **Evo_Spec** » November 3rd, 2012, 3:07 am

i was gonna do this swap when i lived in edmonton and had a lot of friends that were really good at custom work.

It's an amazing engine made by Yamaha for ford, here's a video and keep in mind that this is recorded in a car that weighs about 3350 pounds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jppbFkf7_4U

The theory for us was that this engine fit into a ford.....festiva? and apparently that can take escort engines and as we all know, the mx-3 can take escort engines so the SHO should fit the MX-3 in theory but it really didn't matter since my friends were skilled enough to make it work.
These engines also have a Cast iron block along with forged internals so it takes boost very well, we had a friend who boosted his SHO to 12psi no problem, the only issue was traction lol

*edit* slightly unrelated but yeah, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B77ufAzV ... re=related

Redline322 · Post by **Redline322** » November 3rd, 2012, 9:36 am

I'd say MZR or the duratec, they are both found in current Mazda products and have similar dimensions to ours. The MZR or L series engines are common enough in the 2.0l, 2.3l and we all know what the speed3 is capable of in all its turbo goodness. This might be a more viable option due to the smaller size and all put up good numbers. The duratec came in 2.5 and 3.0l with the 2.5l having very similar hp and torque numbers to the klze. The 3.0l was rated at 205hp until 2006 when they introduced VVT and it went up to 221hp and then 240hp in the E85 version. The bottom line is we'd need dimensions and someone who had the resources to undertake the swap to know what needs to be modified to make these engines work.

Nd4SpdSe · Post by **Nd4SpdSe** » November 3rd, 2012, 9:54 am

BornSticky wrote:my friend has a 2008 ford fusion v6 it looks like the same engine as a ze but with more plastic on it

Duratec 3.0L. Same (and same platform) as in the Mazda6

Evo_Spec wrote:i was gonna do this swap when i lived in edmonton and had a lot of friends that were really good at custom work.

http://images.autocatch.com/17789712024 ... 40x480.jpg

The theory for us was that this engine fit into a ford.....festiva? and apparently that can take escort engines and as we all know, the mx-3 can take escort engines so the SHO should fit the MX-3 in theory but it really didn't matter since my friends were skilled enough to make it work

You're theory is flawed. Why? Yes it was in the Shogun Festiva. The motor, was in the BACK...

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4506680

And not much newer than a KLZE (being the discussion that ZE's are getting old)

The big issue is cost. Few people here have people that can do custom work for free. With the costs of the newer motors (Duratec 30, MZR), plus the fab costs and custom parts and wiring, They wouldn't get done. The new generation of Mx-3'ers have a hard time affording a KLZE swap.

crazycanadian · Post by **crazycanadian** » November 3rd, 2012, 11:38 am

I like my KLG4... Not as much power as a ZE, but a newier motor that easy enough to swap in..

JayoM · Post by **JayoM** » November 3rd, 2012, 11:43 am

Hmm, the Duratec looks very similar to the K-series. I know looks can be deceiving, but the wheels are turning in my head!!

Daninski · Post by **Daninski** » November 3rd, 2012, 3:51 pm

A few good ideas here. The advantage of going with an OBD2 system is the possibility of using after market fuel maps, or even a stand alone system but then again that's more money. So I have to agree with Mike (even tho it kills me

) cost needs to be a consideration. No sense spending $6k on a $1500 dollar car unless it's some kinda project. I guess checking out Probetalk might be another route to go. Usually if it's doable someone there has done it.

EDIT. Ha, very first post that came up when I typed in Engine Swap on Probetalk was this. http://forums.probetalk.com/showthread. ... ngine+swap

Nd4SpdSe · Post by **Nd4SpdSe** » November 3rd, 2012, 4:31 pm

Daninski wrote:The advantage of going with an OBD2 system is the possibility of using after market fuel maps

OBD is the diagnostics system, which doesn't mean you can program it. Since there's no one out there with a programmer for OBDII Mx-3's, your don't gain any programability, just a more advanced and smarter engine management system, which would/should yield a power gain, and better emissions.

Daninski wrote:So I have to agree with Mike

Lol, not trying to be mean, just saying at is it. Yes some people by Mx-3's because they like Mx-3's, but they sell for around $1500 average it seems. Say someone had $6000 to blow on an Speed3 2.3 swap, they typically would of had the income to start with a different/newer platform. I have an Rx8 and I can't even afford to turbo/supercharge it yet. I spend several hundred on her doing my own LS3 coil conversion days before putting her away for the winter..

Daninski wrote:http://forums.probetalk.com/showthread. ... ngine+swap

This thread is like retard on retard crime.

Evo_Spec · Post by **Evo_Spec** » November 3rd, 2012, 4:53 pm

Nd4SpdSe wrote:You're theory is flawed. Why? Yes it was in the Shogun Festiva. The motor, was in the BACK...

And not much newer than a KLZE (being the discussion that ZE's are getting old)

I wasn't talking about the shogun when i was talking about the swap, there was someone who had done a FWD swap.

It's honestly not newer at all since they were used from 92-95 lol, but IMO it's a much better engine hence why i mentioned it.

Since he was talking about another engine in general i assumed custom work was implied and not of a concern, it wasn't for me at the time since my friends were machinist and welders and were completely familiar with the SHO and it's electronics

MrMazda92 · Post by **MrMazda92** » November 4th, 2012, 5:44 am

It breaks my heart that my ex junked her Taurus... I had a Duratec 3.0 sitting in my driveway, ripe for the taking, but decided to try and fix the car... She got impatient though, and junked it because it was taking up space...

The worst part, my driveway easily holds 8 cars with room to maneuver... Around 16 if you cram them in.

mitmaks · Post by **mitmaks** » November 4th, 2012, 11:55 am

What about new SHO twin turbo engine

is it even feasible?

Daninski · Post by **Daninski** » November 4th, 2012, 9:41 pm

Nd4SpdSe wrote:
Daninski wrote:The advantage of going with an OBD2 system is the possibility of using after market fuel maps
OBD is the diagnostics system, which doesn't mean you can program it. Since there's no one out there with a programmer for OBDII Mx-3's, your don't gain any programability, just a more advanced and smarter engine management system, which would/should yield a power gain, and better emissions.

Daninski wrote:So I have to agree with Mike
Lol, not trying to be mean, just saying at is it. Yes some people by Mx-3's because they like Mx-3's, but they sell for around $1500 average it seems. Say someone had $6000 to blow on an Speed3 2.3 swap, they typically would of had the income to start with a different/newer platform. I have an Rx8 and I can't even afford to turbo/supercharge it yet. I spend several hundred on her doing my own LS3 coil conversion days before putting her away for the winter..

Daninski wrote:http://forums.probetalk.com/showthread. ... ngine+swap

This thread is like retard on retard crime.

Ok Mike, so far you've been kinda negative in this post. How about applying some of your vast knowledge and coming up with one or two positive ideas. You said, 'OBD is the diagnostics system' and that's true but you also know we use the OBD2 port in many applications to access and install after market fuel maps. I never said we had to stick with a MX3 ECU system.
Finally, if you stopped wasting your money on porn you'd have enough for a half decent turbo system. Just a thought.

kulluminati777 · Post by **kulluminati777** » November 4th, 2012, 10:39 pm

yeah if any would even come close to replacing the ZE it would be the duratec. I bet the mounting points are not THAT different to where its impossible or more then affordable in fabrication. By the time anyone trys a Other then ZE/G4 swap everyone will have electric cars anyway. Come to think about it we should be thinking of hybrid/electric swaps to keep the chassis for years to come lol

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