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Installed AWR racing polyurethane front engine mount.. wow!
Posted: July 15th, 2007, 1:55 am
by nightfire
I just installed my new polyurethane engine mount and what an insane difference (coming from my mazdaspeed mounts).
It's only the front mount (attached to the crossmember), but it completely changes the character of the car. The engine's vibration is fairly noticible (which you may or may not like... I love it) and when you hit 4000-5000rpm it sounds furious.
Acceleration and engine braking is much smoother with virtually no bucking in any gear except 1st (which is much improved but not perfect). Everything seems much more intentional, eliminating the need to ease in and out of throttle positions.
And did I mention the sound?
I did have a little trouble installing it as it doesn't bolt right up on the K8 (maybe the klze?). It's too narrow, so I padded it with washers to reach the engine mount bracket. Took a couple tries to position it correctly. I also had to use a bigger bolt (1/2" iirc), which meant drilling out the bracket as well. Total install time was about an hour.
But all in all, a highly recommended upgrade.
Posted: July 15th, 2007, 5:02 am
by nope-mx3
Seems they have for the Mx-3 aswell:
http://www.awrracing.com/store/product_ ... cts_id=312
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Mazda mx3 V-6 Front engine mount. Fabricated steel body with polyurethane bushings, gold zinc plated. Front mount only.
about $70 USD.
Just too bad it`s about $90 USD in shipping to Norway, since they use UPS
-n
Posted: July 15th, 2007, 11:07 am
by nightfire
That's actually the one I ordered. It's the right height, but it's about 1.5cm too narrow for the stock K series engine bracket. I wonder if they realize..
Oh, and it was the same thing for me shipping to Canada. But I called them and they hooked me up with a local reseller... maybe there's one in Europe.
Posted: July 15th, 2007, 7:51 pm
by solo_ryder
nightfire wrote:
That's actually the one I ordered. It's the right height, but it's about 1.5cm too narrow for the stock K series engine bracket. I wonder if they realize..
Oh, and it was the same thing for me shipping to Canada. But I called them and they hooked me up with a local reseller... maybe there's one in Europe.
What local retailer was that? I want to get one of these but I am in the same boat as you..
Posted: July 15th, 2007, 8:58 pm
by mx3autozam
How can sound be affected by motor mounts.
and also fill your rear mount solid or something and then that will be the most difference!
Posted: July 16th, 2007, 9:46 am
by Mooneggs
mx3autozam wrote:How can sound be affected by motor mounts.
x1
Posted: July 16th, 2007, 12:47 pm
by atlantamx3
Sound... can be affected by motor mounts.
The thud of the engine slamming against the solid mount while shifting.
or
The soundwaves of the vibration of the motor no longer have a soft rubber mount to travel through and dampen the sound. So they are directly linked to the chassis now and will amplify the sound the motor makes.
Sounds are vibrations and wavelengths.
Posted: July 16th, 2007, 3:27 pm
by nightfire
solo_ryder wrote:nightfire wrote:
That's actually the one I ordered. It's the right height, but it's about 1.5cm too narrow for the stock K series engine bracket. I wonder if they realize..
Oh, and it was the same thing for me shipping to Canada. But I called them and they hooked me up with a local reseller... maybe there's one in Europe.
What local retailer was that? I want to get one of these but I am in the same boat as you..
Shoot.. I don't have it anymore. I called AWR racing and they gave me the number of the reseller in Quebec. I should have written it down...
atlantamx3 wrote:Sound... can be affected by motor mounts.
The thud of the engine slamming against the solid mount while shifting.
or
The soundwaves of the vibration of the motor no longer have a soft rubber mount to travel through and dampen the sound. So they are directly linked to the chassis now and will amplify the sound the motor makes.
Sounds are vibrations and wavelengths.
Exactly. The vibrations of the engine are no longer absorbed and dissipated as heat in the rubber mounts; instead they are transmitted to the crossmember and frame which vibrate. Ahem... like you said.
In fact the whole car vibrates at 600-700rpm and 4000-6000rpm. It rules.
Posted: July 16th, 2007, 4:29 pm
by Whisper
Isn't the whole point of using engine mounts is to absorb engine vibration, instead of amplifying it and sending it through the whole car, putting extra stress on the frame and crossmember? May seem like a fun thing to do, but I don't think it's good for the car or the engine for that matter.
Posted: July 16th, 2007, 4:41 pm
by nope-mx3
Whisper wrote:Isn't the whole point of using engine mounts is to absorb engine vibration, instead of amplifying it and sending it through the whole car, putting extra stress on the frame and crossmember? May seem like a fun thing to do, but I don't think it's good for the car or the engine for that matter.
Racecars actually bolt the engine directly to the chassis, to get maximum amount of power to the ground.
Soft bushings steals some of the power.
-n
Posted: July 16th, 2007, 4:46 pm
by stereoking15
it helps the motor the drivetrain and other aspects. the vibration is just a small inconvenience. it lessens wheel hop, enginge stability, and no enginge torque load on the engine to possibly hurt other mounts from the extra rubber flex. it is all around better for the car other then a little more vibration and noise. which any performance enthusiest would gladly trade comfort and practicality for performance gain and overall vehicle stablity and less stress on motor parts through harsh motions such as worn motor mounts can cause.
Posted: July 16th, 2007, 8:13 pm
by Slammed6
I went with the Probe front motor mount from AWR for my MX-3 as well as my brothers. They are allot beefier and use bigger bolts 1/2" as opposed to the 3/8" on OEM MX-3 ones.
I am currently working with AWR to have them produce a solid Rear motor mount for our cars. So i am looking forward to that. Motor should be stout with a solid front and rear one like my MX-6 was.
Posted: July 17th, 2007, 1:20 am
by nope-mx3
Slammed6 wrote:I went with the Probe front motor mount from AWR for my MX-3 as well as my brothers. They are allot beefier and use bigger bolts 1/2" as opposed to the 3/8" on OEM MX-3 ones.
I am currently working with AWR to have them produce a solid Rear motor mount for our cars. So i am looking forward to that. Motor should be stout with a solid front and rear one like my MX-6 was.
Let us know when that happens
Also, if possible, do some pictures and install howto
I`m definetely getting both.
-nope
Posted: July 17th, 2007, 1:33 am
by Whisper
nope-mx3 wrote:
Racecars actually bolt the engine directly to the chassis, to get maximum amount of power to the ground.
Soft bushings steals some of the power.
-n
Well, race cars have roll cages and all sorts of reinforcements to keep the car body stiff. And they're not very comfortable for daily driving...
If stiff motor mounts are such a benefit, why do car manufacturers put in soft ones? I'm assuming it's to isolate the engine vibration from the rest of the car? Because vibration usually isn't good and makes things loosen and fall apart, and generally not last as long, right? I'm sure it offers some marginal increase in power transfer to the wheels, and reduces wheel hop with higher powered engines, but wouldn't that come at the price of abusing the rest of your car? I don't know for sure, but seems that way...
Posted: July 17th, 2007, 2:05 am
by Slammed6
Nope-mx3 -- Well there is no real how to....just remove old ones and install the new ones. If you mean for the Probe mount, its a direct drop in but the holes on your crossmember need to be opened from the original 3/8" to 1/2" and that can be done in 2 secs with a drill motor. You don't even have to remove it.
Whisper -- There is a medium point for comfortability and performance. Engine mounts are a big way to add comfortability, less engine vibration and that means quieter cabin noises. If you notice the more performance cars u buy the more u will notice engine vibration cause stronger mounts will add performance. If your motor is vibrating THAT much to cause things to fall off your car something needs to be checked out, I have had solid mounts in my cars and with a proper running engine the cars is barely vibrating...hardly noticable. Just feels 10x more solid.
Think of it the same as your springs for your car. OEM is soft and has alot of play to make the ride more comfortable. As you upgrade in cars performance you can feel a stiffer ride. Even though this cause more "vibration" through the frame is is not bad...just uncomfortable for the average person, unless your looking for the stiffer performance orientated ride.
