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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by EBUCKS:
<p>Again you're talking about propaganda that you're fed! Try talking to people from that area who have communication with people over in these other parts of the world. Kaveh has something to say. All you have to tell me is what I can hear on the news already. Maybe you should get your facts straight, on what's really going on.
I'll repeat myself. The US used to be a melting pot of different nationalists. It is not so anymore, and hasn't been for many years as paranoia has set in big time. You are now a very divided group.
You don't need to impress me with what CNN said, as that is all common knowledge. Word on the street is much better. Find a friend from the middle east, China, Germany, Turkey, France, even Canada to talk to. It'll open your eyes. And you may develop some respect for people other than yourselves. ;) <p>one
<hr></blockquote><p>This is ridiculous, I can't believe your arguement is, find someone from da hood and you'll change your mind, pathetic. Lets ignore the facts, call it propoganda, then go the opposite way of what, yes, FRANCE, CANADA, CHINA, AND GERMANY and the U.S. all agreed to do, disarm Iraq.
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This is how it is, Canada WILL go to war, just wants more evidence, Germany too, France I don't think can afford to cause Saddam has there head under his foot.
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My BEST FRIEND is in kuwait city right now, as well as a few of my dad's friends, my dad was almost sent to kuwait during operation desert shield, all because of Suddam, my dad could have been killed cause of this guy invading another country. Also, I don't think you got what I was saying, Bush is on a diplomatic mission, it means a he's trying to find a resolution for peace, Iraq is starting to concur.<p>[ March 14, 2003: Message edited by: 992mmx3 ]</p>
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I don´t belive that really a war is needed. Do you really think that all this war is because George Bush is the defender of the peace? I don´t think so. I´m from Spain, and Spanish people are supposed to be in favour of the war, as our president chose without any council or popular election to be in Bush side, but NOBODY here in Spain wants the war! Where you think that this war will be held? in Arizona? In New York? It will be held on the mediterranean sea! How we are supposed to be up to the war? Our president was told to be rewarded by Bush because of his colaboration, but for what I see , nobody of you know that Spain is on the alliate list!
Patriotism without control is a disease that the only thing it does is to confront people who can get on really good.
Another point I can´t understand is: You are forced to run your car with Catalitic conversor and no traces of "off-road" parts on your car, and your government does have Massive destruction weapons and are willing to use them??!! Come on!!
Say Peace forever ( I also think that Saddam is a bastard, but if he didn´t have the petrol, for sure you wouldn´t know who he is)
Don´t want to be confrontational, but a lot of inocent people will be killed just for a megalomanian actitude from your president.(hope I´m wrong)<p>[ March 14, 2003: Message edited by: BATTOSAI ]</p>
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BATTOSAI:
[QB]I don´t belive that really a war is needed. Do you really think that all this war is because George Bush is the defender of the peace? I don´t think so.
-------------------------------------------------<p>Yes, I do. But I guess you are entitled to your own opinion.<p>quote:
I´m from Spain, and Spanish people are supposed to be in favour of the war, as our president chose without any council or popular election to be in Bush side, but NOBODY here in Spain wants the war!
-------------------------------------------------<p>This statement is mostly an opinion, I'm sure your president isn't the only one in your country thats with the U.S. :roll: Also, nobody in the world wants war.<p>quote:
Patriotism without control is a disease that the only thing it does is to confront people who can get on really good.
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I dont understand this statement, hmmmmm, were backing a U.N. policy, so were out of control?? <p>
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Another point I can´t understand is: You are forced to run your car with Catalitic conversor and no traces of "off-road" parts on your car, and your government does have Massive destruction weapons and are willing to use them??!! Come on!!
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Catalytic converters are an emissions part for the car, it burns excess fuels and junk going through the exhaust that can harm the environement. what does this have to do with weapons of mass destruction? Are you referring to nukes?? Were not even gonna use nukes.<p>
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Say Peace forever ( I also think that Saddam is a bastard, but if he didn´t have the petrol, for sure you wouldn´t know who he is)
-------------------------------------------------<p>This is another false statement, we've been on this guy for a while, do you really think operation desert shield occured because of petrol??
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None of you have told me anything about talking to people from other countries.
Do I sound like I'm from "da hood"? :shrug: You're killing me. When I say the street, I mean 'not the media'.
In a subtle way I said that if you developed some contact with a person from another country then you may have some respect for that person and therefore their culture. I never said that you are disrespectful people. <p>Who made the US the police of the world? Last time I checked that was the UN. If someone punches you in the face, punch them back. The US has this rep of a: being a bully and b: jumping into the fight. If you keep on hitting people, their going to develop a head of steam and hit you back. I said earlier, get your foot out of everybody's a$$ and that will solve the problem. Someone has punched you back. Therefore you now have to finish the fight because it's on. When it's finished, what is going to happen? If the US wins, (which everybody's money is on them as per the Muhamed Ali type propaganda that is being thrown around), then figure heads will be placed at the helm of these countries. Who are these figure heads reporting to? The US. Has this been done before? Yes ie. Saddam Housein, Bin Laden, etc. Once these figure heads are tired of taking direction, we will have another war. This is one way to think about it, since it's happened in the past, and don't think that Japan isn't still pissed off, but just taking it for now.
Afghanistan, other middle eastern nations, African nations etc, have suffered under their country's rule. Some countries have even used threats of US attacks to push their people into areas for easy round up for concentration camps. Did you hear what I just said? Governments have used the US' past history for scare tactics.
Corrective action in my mind if I were the "US king", run my country and not others, or else I would want Kofi Anan's position at the UN chair. <p>one
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> Our president was told to be rewarded by Bush because of his colaboration, but for what I see , nobody of you know that Spain is on the alliate list! <hr></blockquote><p>What do you have to say about this statement 992? I love "da street"!<p>one
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by EBUCKS:
<p>What do you have to say about this statement 992? I love "da street"!<p>one<hr></blockquote><p>Its just propaganda, or "word from da streets" hehe, Ebucks, through all this, I just wanted to make sure were still cool, I have a ton of respect for you and your opinions, and the fact that you rack my brains for answers is cool, its also fun to debate/discuss crap like this. Now on with my answers, well, gotta finish reading your last post.
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None of you have told me anything about talking to people from other countries.
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You haven't really either, just made some opinions, but thats stuff I hear on the news everyday as well.<p>quote:
In a subtle way I said that if you developed some contact with a person from another country then you may have some respect for that person and therefore their culture. I never said that you are disrespectful people.
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Let's just say, I'm only half white. I have respect for others cultures.<p>
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Who made the US the police of the world?
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We aren't, this is U.N. policy we are backing, what kind of example is it sending if the U.N. unanimously signs an agreement to disarm Iraq, and then does nothing to back up its statements.<p>
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b: jumping into the fight. If you keep on hitting people, their going to develop a head of steam and hit you back.
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Were not just all of a sudden jumping into this situation, its been 12 years in the making, its time to get rid of Saddam.<p>quote:
I said earlier, get your foot out of everybody's a$$ and that will solve the problem.
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Not necassarily true, look at ww2, the world was begging us to join, instead, we kept to ourselves for waaaay too long and let hitler take out almost all of Europe and leak his way into northern Africa, this is why the U.N. exists in the 1st place.<p>quote:
Someone has punched you back. Therefore you now have to finish the fight because it's on. When it's finished, what is going to happen?
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this statement kind of makes it seem like Saddam is some romantic hero who should be pittied by all because he is getting bullied like a school girl by the big bad U.S.<p>quote:
If the US wins, (which everybody's money is on them as per the Muhamed Ali type propaganda that is being thrown around), then figure heads will be placed at the helm of these countries. Who are these figure heads reporting to? The US.
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The U.N. actually, there is a weekly show on t.v. that shows actual progress in Afghanistan, yes, I realize its hopped up to make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, but its an effective way to show that Afghanistan is doing better than ever.<p>quote:
Has this been done before? Yes ie. Saddam Housein, Bin Laden, etc.
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this statement is false, when did the U.S. or the U.N. elect Bin Laden as a leader???<p>quote:
Once these figure heads are tired of taking direction, we will have another war. This is one way to think about it, since it's happened in the past, and don't think that Japan isn't still pissed off, but just taking it for now.
Afghanistan, other middle eastern nations, African nations etc, have suffered under their country's rule.
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this statement is also false. Japan is pissed off?? Wrong, Japan was one of the first to mobilize its troops to the middle east after sept. 11th in total support of the U.S. We pretty much built Japan from the ground up, I have a feeling you don't know anything about ww2. They bombed us, evil emperor in charge, we overthrew him and built a democracy, they are now one of the richest nations in the world. As far as the other countries, you must give examples, otherwise, this is just, well, "street talk."<p>
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Some countries have even used threats of US attacks to push their people into areas for easy round up for concentration camps. Did you hear what I just said? Governments have used the US' past history for scare tactics.
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this doesn't really have anything to do with whats going on, thats other countries problems if they want to scare people by mentioning our countries name then thats wrong, but its not like we "police" everyone in the world that do this. And this statement also reaffirms why the U.N. exists.<p>quote:
Corrective action in my mind if I were the "US king", run my country and not others, or else I would want Kofi Anan's position at the UN chair. <p>
------------------------------------------------<p>Sometimes, I just wish the U.N. would just desolve, but what good would we be to the world? None. All hail king E-bucks,lol.
:D ;) <p>[ March 14, 2003: Message edited by: 992mmx3 ]<p>[ March 14, 2003: Message edited by: 992mmx3 ]</p>
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whoa I didn't mean to start a war. Just thought it would interest some people to read.<p>For those who don't respect the french because they're protecting their interests, The US has been protecting its interests in Israel by backing the Israeli govt. Calling the Palestinians terrorists and what not. All the Palestinians want is their land back and are willing to kill for it. Im sure Bush would do the same if the states were taken over.<p>just my 2 cents...
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by EBUCKS:
None of you have told me anything about talking to people from other countries.<hr></blockquote>
If you read my post earlier you'd see that I DID say I have talked to, and frequently talk to people all over the globe. :shrug:
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Who made the US the police of the world? Last time I checked that was the UN.<hr></blockquote>
Nobody made the US the police of the world. We don't act like the police. We act like a big brother. See, if we see a problem we do what we can to fix it. What kind of a person (or country) sees people being hurt and dying for no reason and shrugs it off? If someone you cared about was under that kind of rule, would you just sit and allow it? Neither will we. If people are hurting we're gunna help them. Not because we wanna be "the police of the world" but because we CARE about PEOPLE, not just ourselves.
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>If someone punches you in the face, punch them back. The US has this rep of a: being a bully and b: jumping into the fight. If you keep on hitting people, their going to develop a head of steam and hit you back. I said earlier, get your foot out of everybody's a$$ and that will solve the problem. Someone has punched you back. Therefore you now have to finish the fight because it's on. When it's finished, what is going to happen?<hr></blockquote>
This is the most bullheaded comment I have ever read. You think the attack on the World Trade Center affected only the US? LMFAO!!! Like I and others have pointed out, it's not the United States Trade Center. It's the WORLD'S Trade Center. This was an attack on the WORLD. Has the attack affected YOUR economy? Yes. Has it afctected the economy all across the world? Yes. And since when have we been a "bully"? Give me an example when we invaded a country to gain profit. Yes we jump into the fight, but we never start the fight. Just because YOU think we have that rep. don't mean it's true. In all honesty I see little fact in anything you have said. I see a lot of opinion, surmise, and conjecture, but no fact. You ask for facts supporting our claims? Let's see your facts.
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>If the US wins, (which everybody's money is on them as per the Muhamed Ali type propaganda that is being thrown around), then figure heads will be placed at the helm of these countries. Who are these figure heads reporting to? The US. Has this been done before? Yes ie. Saddam Housein, Bin Laden, etc. Once these figure heads are tired of taking direction, we will have another war. This is one way to think about it, since it's happened in the past, and don't think that Japan isn't still pissed off, but just taking it for now.<hr></blockquote>
Are you suggesting that the US put Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden in power? Funny thing. Bin Laden IS NOT IN POWER. He is a rich guy that has formed a terror group. He's NEVER answered to the US. Hussein got support from the US, but never answered to us, and we didn't place him in power.
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Afghanistan, other middle eastern nations, African nations etc, have suffered under their country's rule. Some countries have even used threats of US attacks to push their people into areas for easy round up for concentration camps. Did you hear what I just said? Governments have used the US' past history for scare tactics.[.qb]<hr></blockquote>
This is a very mendacious comment. Provide proof of these allegations while posting. Show some tact.
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>[qb]Corrective action in my mind if I were the "US king", run my country and not others, or else I would want Kofi Anan's position at the UN chair.
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Run your country and not others huh? I'd love to see how the world would get along without the US. I hope I'm dead before the US dies because I KNOW the world would be total Anarchy. The US settles conflicts all over the world before they get out of control. Imagine if we had not stepped in when Iraq invaded Kuwait 12 years ago. Would there still be a Kuwait today? Not likely. The only thing that scares me more than Hussein is having someone like you as the head of anything remotly political.<p>[ March 14, 2003: Message edited by: VizualXTC ]</p>
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by johnnyb:
Im sure Bush would do the same if the states were taken over.<hr></blockquote><p>What the hell is with you guys and Bush? Give me reason for your animosity against Bush. He has done a damn good job as president so far. If you think about it, he wasn't in charge when this all started 12 years ago. Nobody calls the palistinians terrorists for kiling to get their land back. They call them terrorists for strapping dynamite to their belts and blowing themselves up on the steps of the US embasy.
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by VizualXTC:
<p>What the hell is with you guys and Bush? Give me reason for your animosity against Bush. He has done a damn good job as president so far. If you think about it, he wasn't in charge when this all started 12 years ago. Nobody calls the palistinians terrorists for kiling to get their land back. They call them terrorists for strapping dynamite to their belts and blowing themselves up on the steps of the US embasy.<hr></blockquote><p>And in israeli malls, and on there buses, and on the streets, anywhere they please.
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When will it end? IRAQ? IRAN? N. KOREA? The president needs to consider the cost of going to war and the cost of calling out your so called "enemies." I work in the financial industry and watch the markets daily. In the summer of 2001 I was working at a currency trading firm when the Euro was aroud 83 cents to the dollar, In 2002-3 the Euro gained momentum to the dollar and eventually was at par with the dollar. Believe me when I say the majority of investors that I would speak with did not believe this would ever happen. Im in no way blaming the president for a dismal economy but a war with no possible conclusion, preventing all terrorist groups or countries that harbor terrorist, will only bring us to a depression in the long run. And YES we were in a textbook defined recession. We must realize that going to war is the only chance the president has of making a mark on his term and hopes of being re elected for a second term. Politics- dont you just love it? :shrug:
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by blkmx3_v6:
Politics- dont you just love it? :shrug: <hr></blockquote><p>No, not really, lol. I usually don't like discussing politics, but will when I'm bored at work.
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