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No start issue

Posted: November 2nd, 2011, 3:22 pm
by JCS
Came out of work the other night to start my car and it cranked hard but refused to start. Today it started butit ran rough for a second and ran fine at idle and revs. Turned off then wouldnt start again, jumped gnd / fp and heard the pump activate. Not sure what the deal is. Ideas?

Re: No start issue

Posted: November 3rd, 2011, 4:00 am
by Edgar7654
i had the same problem before twice with 2 different cars one was this car mx3 dohc and the other was 97 mitsubishi eclipse the problem was the timing belt jumped a tooth how does the car sound? does it back fire alot? is it just cranking? do you have spark

Re: No start issue

Posted: November 3rd, 2011, 9:44 am
by Ryan
Another issue that screams distributor.


Which motor/year is this?

Re: No start issue

Posted: November 3rd, 2011, 1:25 pm
by JCS
It's a 1993 with the 1.6. It sounded fine when it ran. I replaced the distributor about 2 years ago for a similar problem. Haven't checked spark yet.

Re: No start issue

Posted: November 15th, 2011, 6:12 pm
by JCS
Ok, distributor is good. I have spark too. The car still won't start even with the help of starting fluid. Ideas?

Re: No start issue

Posted: November 16th, 2011, 8:32 pm
by JCS
Need some insight! Closing in fast on winter and this is my snowmobile! (Truck hates snow)

Re: No start issue

Posted: November 17th, 2011, 12:00 am
by Ryan
Sine the pump runs, and it sparks, I'd look at the airflow meter next.

the S code is super common, I wouldn't pay more than $20 for a replacement from a JY.

Re: No start issue

Posted: November 17th, 2011, 11:44 pm
by JCS
Do you mean the MAF? If so, I didn't think that would keep it from running but instead would make it run poorly...? How am I to test it since it won't start?

Re: No start issue

Posted: November 18th, 2011, 10:38 am
by Ryan
Yes, I do. I missed the 94 part.

If you look a little, you might find this:

http://www.mx-3.com/manuals/showimg.php ... F1-160.gif

Re: No start issue

Posted: November 21st, 2011, 4:32 pm
by JCS
So back to the original question, wouldn't it run even if that's bad? Sorry for the delay in responses, my grandmother had a stroke.

Re: No start issue

Posted: November 30th, 2011, 11:58 pm
by JCS
Everything recommended checked out. Got the money for a compression gauge since I couldn't find mine. Starting at #1it was; 140-140-90-120

Re: No start issue

Posted: December 1st, 2011, 12:21 am
by Ryan
Eep, that motor is TIRED.


Is this a 1993 or a 1994?

Spin the disty rotor by hand with the ignition ON (Everything plugged in, but disty out in your hand), and listen for injector firing and fuel pump running.

Re: No start issue

Posted: December 1st, 2011, 1:07 am
by JCS
Sorry for the confusion, it's a 1993. I'll try to get out to where it died on me tomorrow and see what I can find out by doing what you suggested. I will note that the injectors were pulsing as I cranked the engine over.

Re: No start issue

Posted: December 1st, 2011, 9:18 am
by Ryan
If they were, and you're sure, then you don't need to try that test.

Try another coil.

You can unplug the VAF entirely (93's do have VAF's) and it should fire, run for a moment, and die. A VAF issue won't cause a no start.


Your compression is low, but not so low that it wouldn't try to start. (But your motor is on its last legs).

If the injectors fire, the pump runs, it sparks... it should start. There's nothing else. injectors firing means the timing belt is intact and disty is probably, compression means the cam is moving....

:shrug:

Fuses, obviously.

I can't think of anything else. Maybe try a new ECM. The 93 has a s--- ton of common parts on it that you should be able to find for pennies at scrap yards, because early 90's 323's are like the plague.

Re: No start issue

Posted: December 1st, 2011, 11:40 am
by JCS
Yeah, after seeing those numbers last night, I wonder if it's even worth fixing since it's on its way out...poor thing. :(