ZE 250WHP NA?

[neli_nael]

just wondering if there were any NA ZE's with 250+ WHP? that is my goal if i dont boost.

[coltfoet5]

yes, there are some out there. When I was active on Probetalk I saw a lot of people gettin around 250

[neli_nael]

wow i should really register there, sounds like the place to be for v6 tuning.

[solo_ryder]

I doubt that, there are a few ppl that hover ON or AROUND 200 WHP N/A but I am not sure of anyone that is running 250whp out of a KL unless they had...

1. A crap load of cash money for someone to build it
2. MSNS, Cams, Worked heads, ITB's and probably high comp pistons and much more

Anywho, 200whp is a more reasonable goal with MSNS, True KLZE (KL31 cams, straightneck motor) and good quality bolt ons

Werd

wow i should really register there, sounds like the place to be for v6 tuning.

Yes it is

[Nd4SpdSe]

I don't think I've really seen anyone with more than 230whp. 250bhp ya, but some of the insane (and expensive) N/A setups tend to hover around 220-230hp. There is the guy with the 11second N/A KL Probe, mx3autozam talked to him at a CSCS event, but I dont know how much power he's making, but I think he's reving it to around 11'000rpms and has accidentally hit 13'000 (without any damage) if I remember right.

[neli_nael]

I don't think I've really seen anyone with more than 230whp. 250bhp ya, but some of the insane (and expensive) N/A setups tend to hover around 220-230hp. There is the guy with the 11second N/A KL Probe, mx3autozam talked to him at a CSCS event, but I dont know how much power he's making, but I think he's reving it to around 11'000rpms and has accidentally hit 13'000 (without any damage) if I remember right.

thats 300+ whp, and probably $30,000. i think for about 5-7 grand i can build a 250whp or close at least (+/- 5hp).

[solo_ryder]

5-7 grand can build you alot of things, but I think it would be wasteful in a KL.. but that is up to you of course.

Turbo route can get you more power for less

[Nd4SpdSe]

thats 300+ whp, and probably $30,000. i think for about 5-7 grand i can build a 250whp or close at least (+/- 5hp).

I bet you it would take at least twice that for that amount of power. That's roughtly what I'll be spending on mine and I'm hoping to see 220. There will be alot of money spend in headwork as well as balancing pretty much everything that moves. As well as you have to upgrade the lubrication system, stand alone engine management. Oh there's alot of sh1t that needs to be done.

If you search around ProbeTalk, you'll find some answers. There's KLZE Porsche, he's apparently building one "for the record books" and has spend $4000 on rods alone.

Here's a thread with some info:
http://forums.probetalk.com/showthread. ... ght=250whp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[neli_nael]

There's KLZE Porsche, he's apparently building one "for the record books" and has spend $4000 on rods alone.

but 250whp is not even close to the record books, dont compare the two.

[Nd4SpdSe]

To the contrary. I think a KL with the most power I've seen is around 232 or something of the sort. The problem is that as you start to want to squeeze out more hp, the more you have to spend to get smaller gains, but at that point, a gain is a gain, no matter if it cost $10'000+ just to get that extra 1hp.

If you spend say $10'000 to get from 200whp to 220whp, it's not another $10'000 to get another 20hp to 240whp. That extra 20whp would be around 2x-4x as much. It starts going up exponentially.

I don't know what to expect from KLZE Porsche's setup, but I don't see him breaking 300whp, but who knows what he has cooked up in custom stuff that not known. PRM Racing hit 280whp actually:
http://forums.probetalk.com/showthread.php?t=1701255324" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[neli_nael]

To the contrary. I think a KL with the most power I've seen is around 232 or something of the sort. The problem is that as you start to want to squeeze out more hp, the more you have to spend to get smaller gains, but at that point, a gain is a gain, no matter if it cost $10'000+ just to get that extra 1hp.

If you spend say $10'000 to get from 200whp to 220whp, it's not another $10'000 to get another 20hp to 240whp. That extra 20whp would be around 2x-4x as much. It starts going up exponentially.

I don't know what to expect from KLZE Porsche's setup, but I don't see him breaking 300whp, but who knows what he has cooked up in custom stuff that not known. PRM Racing hit 280whp actually:
http://forums.probetalk.com/showthread.php?t=1701255324" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

what are you #'s?

[Nd4SpdSe]

Actually 10k was just a number I pull out of my my head cause I was talking about the relation to hp-to-cost. $5000 would be realistic to get to 220whp, but I was just saying that as you try squeezing more and more hp, it cost more to get less hp.

[solo_ryder]

This is the PRM probe:

Old setup


New:




I find it funny that he has stock ngk wires

I had pics in my extensive gallery

[fowljesse]

Neli_nael, go for it.
If you have the money, knowledge, time, tools, etc... show us what you can do! A good guy to get a hold of is TitoMX3. I don't remember the HP, but he's got the fastest ZE I know of. And make a worklog! And remember, the less weight you're pushing, the less HP you need.

[tehbrookzorz]

I remember seeing a guy on Probetalk with individual throttlebodies. The thing reved quick, and I think he had a lot of top end work cause it reved high. There are few who will aim for high horsepower with these engines, because most will just say for the money to swap to a ze, or add turbo, or both (at 4 or so psi). That or go big.