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Twin-Trapezoidal Link (TTL)
Posted: March 19th, 2006, 5:04 pm
by Typhoonk
Anybody heard of this before? I just saw it on a website talking about mazda cars.
Something to do with the rear suspesion allowing the rear tires to turn to aid in sharp turning or something?
Twin-Trapezoidal Link (TTL)
anybody know what mx-3's have this and how it work?
Posted: March 19th, 2006, 5:38 pm
by atlantamx3
Yep.
The MX-3s have the TTL Suspension set-up in the rear.
This is one of the reasons that the MX-3 handles soooo well.
Quote from Wikipedia:
The MX-3 used Mazda's proprietary Twin-Trapezoidal Link (TTL) for the rear suspension. It passively allowed the rear wheels to turn slightly in order to enhance handling. It has been used on a range of Mazda vehicles, providing a smooth ride, yet delivering responsive handling while minimizing body lean.
Posted: March 19th, 2006, 6:23 pm
by Typhoonk
any diagrams or videos on this nice technology?
Posted: March 19th, 2006, 6:38 pm
by atlantamx3
yep its just off of the main MX-3.com page...
http://www.mx-3.com/brochure/intro.cfm
The patented Mazda Twin Trapezoidal Link (TTL) independent rear suspension works to deliver some of the benefits of 4-wheel steering, such as quick response when you change lanes or turn corners, but does it without added weight, complexity or cost. TTL automatically maintains the best alignment of the rear tires to the road surface, improving both stability and agility.
Posted: March 19th, 2006, 7:19 pm
by onderground_mx3
sounds like super hicas on nissans if i understand correctly from the 3 post above....if i understand right then why don't our a-- ends pivot like theres
Posted: March 19th, 2006, 7:31 pm
by precidian
onderground_mx3 wrote:sounds like super hicas on nissans if i understand correctly from the 3 post above....if i understand right then why don't our a-- ends pivot like theres
The super hicas is 4 wheel steering and different from the TTL setup that the MX has. I would recommend google.
here is what I found in 30 seconds...
HICAS (High Capacity Actively Controlled Suspension) is Nissan's rear wheel steering system found on cars ranging from the more recent Skyline and Z iterations to smaller models like the 240sx. It is also found on models from Nissan's Infiniti division, such as the Q45 and the M45/M35. Unlike other four wheel steering systems, Hicas and Super Hicas is fitted to improve handling rather than as a parking aid.
Earlier HICAS versions used hydraulics to steer the rear wheels. The hydraulic system was powered by the power steering pump and used speed sensors to determine how much and which direction to steer the rear wheels. Later versions, called Super Hicas, moved to an electric actuator for the rear steering rack, making the system much lighter. The Super Hicas system also used its own computer to control the system insted of speed sensors. HICAS and Super Hicas rear wheel steering is limited to about 1 degree in either direction.
Posted: March 19th, 2006, 9:05 pm
by atlantamx3
onderground_mx3 wrote:sounds like super hicas on nissans if i understand correctly from the 3 post above....if i understand right then why don't our a-- ends pivot like theres
And also-- they are RWD rather than FWD...
Posted: March 19th, 2006, 9:25 pm
by onderground_mx3
atlantamx3 wrote:onderground_mx3 wrote:sounds like super hicas on nissans if i understand correctly from the 3 post above....if i understand right then why don't our a-- ends pivot like theres
And also-- they are RWD rather than FWD...
yea i know we have 2 rather nice rb powerd ones locally...just for some reason when reading that i thought of super hicas for some reason
Posted: March 20th, 2006, 12:56 am
by Vanished
TTL automatically maintains the best alignment of the rear tires to the road surface, improving both stability and agility.
This is pretty much why mx-3's are the s---.