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New Brake Stuff Installed

Posted: June 5th, 2005, 3:24 pm
by Gro Harlem
Yay, spent a good 6 hours or so installing all of my new brake stuff.

Here's the run down of before:

-Remanu'd front calipers (bought last october)
-Axxis Deluxe organic front pads (installed last July)
-Brembo X-drilled, heavily worn front rotors
-Original 160k mileage rear calipers
-Axxis Deluxe Organic rear pads (Installed las July)
-New Generic POS Autozone rear rotors (new in jan 05')
-Techna-fit stainless steel brake lines (Installed last July)
-ATE Super Blue DOT4 Racing Fluid

Needless to say, the brakes were s---. The front rotors were VERY heavily worn. I now can safely say that I will never buy cross-drilleds again as they simply do not last for more than 3 years and 60k miles of use (thats about how long i used them..they were on my protege previously).

Each area where the holes were drilled had a horrible groove, preventing the pads from fully gripping the rotor. They were likely gripping less than 30% of the surface of the rotor, so you can guess how crappy the brakes worke.d

The rears were also fuxed. The axxis pads already fell apart after only 10k miles of use. One had a crack and the friction material clumped out of the pad (wtf). Plus the inside of both pads were wearing more than the outside which indicated that my rear calipers were probably in need of a rebuild. I was right! The sliders WON"T FRIGGIN MOVE without a hella lot of force, there must have been no grease inside of them.

On top of that, my entire brake system felt spongy no matter how effectively I bled the damn thing! Maybe I just suck at life or something.



OK now for the new stuff:

-2000 Millenia Master Cylinder w/brake booster (1" bore instead of 15/16")
-Same Remanufactured front calipers, but boots/bushings and sliders removed so I could paint them
-Brand New Hawk HPS semi-metallic Front Pads
-Brand New Brembo Blank Front rotors
-Rebuilt Rear calipers that I did myself (was easier than I thought)
-Brand New Axxis MetalMaster (actually PBR, same company) rear pads
-brand New brembo Blank rear rotors
-Same Techna-Fit SS lines
-Opened a new QT of ATE super Blue DOT4 Racing Fluid
-All Calipers & areas of rotors painted with Silver VHT 1500 degree caliper paint

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As you can see I painted the rotors inside & the outer rim of the rotors with paint. As you all know, these areas RUST THE FIRST TIME WATER TOUCHES THEM! I used my sanding block with some 200 grit sandpaper to sand the paint off the surface of the rotors while water was running over them. You can see the one rotor had rust build up b/c I didn't wipe the water off! THat pic was taken approx 30 minutes after I sanded the rotors so yeah.....that s--- rusts IMMEDIATELY upon water touching it, pretty scary.

I'm glad I painted those parts before I installed them b/c I doubt there would be any way to properly do it after they've been exposed to a single rainstorm.

Posted: June 5th, 2005, 3:37 pm
by Gro Harlem
And i'm sure your all wondering "why the hell he post this w/out results?"

Well I haven't 100% "burnished" them yet. I'm still taking it easy on my stops, nothing sudden. I'm about 1/3rd of the way there, should be 100% by tuesday or so.

One thing I can say is the brake pedal feels like a new car! Its very firm, although, since i'm still breaking them in, i can't stomp on it too hard b/c I could really f'up the burnishing process. I can't wait to start beating the s--- out of these brakes.

And also, if you are wondering about price. I'll try to break it down below:

(1) Junkyard 2000 Millenia master cylinder w/brake booster: $35
(2) Technafit SS lines: $85 (part of a groupbuy on clubprotege.com awhile ago)
(3) Remanu'd front calipers: $130 for the pair
(4) Remanu kit for rear calipers: $25 for pair
(5) Brembo Blanks (fronts): $51.44 for pair + ~10 shipping off NOPIONLINE.com
(6) Brembo Blanks (Rear): $44.56 for pair + ~ 10 shipping off NOPIONLINE.com
(7) Hawk HPS Front pads: $53 shipped from RaceShopper.com (cheapest place I could find online that sold hawk)
(8) PBR Rear metalmaster pads: $33 shipped off ebay
(9) ATE Super Blue DOT4 Race fluid: $8 a qt from RaceShopper.com
(10) VHT Silver caliper paint: $8

Grand Total investment on my brake system: $493

Damn! didn't think it was that much money...oh well! Its basically 100% replaced brand-new brake system so fuggit!

Posted: June 5th, 2005, 3:38 pm
by mitmaks
why youre using dot4 fluid, dot3 is just fine, other than that it should stop on dime now

Posted: June 5th, 2005, 5:14 pm
by Macen
Looks great. I also painted my new blank Brembo front discs.

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And I also use the ATE Super Blue brake fluid. No problem with it at all.

I look forward to hear about your Hawk pads. I use Ferodo Premiere pads now. So far I'm happy with them, but I may change to Hawk instead if I'm not satisfied.

Posted: June 5th, 2005, 6:41 pm
by Gro Harlem
mitmaks wrote:why youre using dot4 fluid, dot3 is just fine, other than that it should stop on dime now
my question is why not? I auto-x regularly. Why use pisswater in my system when I can spend 3 dollars more to use the high-temp s---.

Plus blue is pimp, you can tell when its all flushed out b/c you see the blue, and people freak when they see your master cyl and inform you that your car has issues ("dood you should really change your fluid, its all moldy")....<<< yes someone said that to me once and i lmao

Posted: June 5th, 2005, 7:52 pm
by solo_ryder
So i take it those brembo blanks are worth the money?

Posted: August 12th, 2005, 2:00 am
by mitmaks
you had to flush the entire brake system before using that dot 4 blue fluid?

Posted: August 12th, 2005, 6:32 am
by Gro Harlem
mitmaks wrote:you had to flush the entire brake system before using that dot 4 blue fluid?
not really..it mixes fine with the old s---. i just took a rag & soaked up all of the fluid that was already in the resevoir (most was gone anyways b/c i ahd the brakelines off) and poured in the blue s---.

bled out the remainder of the yellow crap and then saw the blue. there might be like 1-2% left of yellow stuff for all I know in the system, but i can't tell, it look blue as hell to me throughout

Posted: August 25th, 2005, 4:49 pm
by Macen
Any results?

Posted: August 26th, 2005, 5:06 pm
by Jettblackcat
Question: why did you choose organic over semi-met or ceramic?? I thought that you'd get better braking with these than the organics. Especially if you do auto-x?!?

Posted: August 26th, 2005, 7:54 pm
by Gro Harlem
wha? i swappdthe shitty organics i HAD for these semi-mets'..

ORGANIC SUX!11142111

Posted: August 27th, 2005, 11:04 pm
by jschrauwen
Gro, why not Hawk's or PBR's all the way around? I take the greenstuff is not up to the AutoX needs? Would a softer pad in the rear be a better choice? Which set would be a better choice than for my (4)new Magnum CD rotors and superbly rebuilt calipers?

Posted: August 28th, 2005, 3:59 pm
by Gro Harlem
wtf??? I have hawks up front, just no rears.

THEY DONT MAKE REARS111

if you can find me rear pads that aren't axxis semi-metallics, then link me! i've looked everywehre couldn't find s---!

I'm not surprised, our rear calipers aren't shared wtih any other mazda whatsoever. The protege/escort/miata all used the same rear rotors/calipers so they have 1000000 pad choices. We have jack shizzle :(

Posted: August 29th, 2005, 12:38 pm
by Jettblackcat
Ooops!, my bad, I was reading the old parts list. :roll:

Posted: September 8th, 2005, 5:21 pm
by jschrauwen
I'm hoping that these Magnum CD rotors that I had Gold Cadmium plated will be as durable or more so than painted rotors ... hoping. These coupled with my Deluxe John Jr. Calipers (coutesy of Gro Harlem) and the same pad config and SS lines should be more than up to the task.
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