Engine Ticks

ManoWar · Post by **ManoWar** » May 29th, 2005, 4:52 am

Hello after i've pushed it a little on the higway today. When i return i noticed this tick. It sounds like a valve tick. Its not to loud but sometimes noticeable in the cockpit. What could it be? and is it an imediate problem to my engine. Also what should i do?

I stopped the engine and cranked it up again and it dissapeared only to re-appear when i cranked it again.

ManoWar · Post by **ManoWar** » May 29th, 2005, 5:20 am

will check oil altough i've changed it 4000kms ago (didn't check the level in 2 weeks and i now realized i have done 3000clicks in that period).

Talon_66 · Post by **Talon_66** » May 29th, 2005, 5:31 am

HLA ticking is normal. Plz Search.

ManoWar · Post by **ManoWar** » May 29th, 2005, 5:36 am

Talon_66 wrote:HLA ticking is normal. Plz Search.

i did search and i've found one or 2 coherent answers. Added oil (i was waaay under low on the dipstick and the noise went to almost a complete stop.

Now something i havn't found yet is. What does HLA stand for and is it safe to drive with this tick. (Now its almost non hearable)

Tunes67 · Post by **Tunes67** » May 29th, 2005, 5:52 am

HLA = Hydraulic Lash Adjuster

In laymans terms they are commonly called "Lifters" Though in our mazda engines the cam(s) actually ride on top of the HLA's rather than vice versa.. Though the overall basic design concept is the same. Though admittedly.. it doesnt make sense to call them Lifters in a Overhead Cam configuration.

HLA ticking is pretty common with our mazda engines, both with the B6 engines and the K8's, KLZE's.. etc.. its more annoying than anything.. eventually Mazda went to a solid "lifter" design due to the problems with them. I find it rather amusing that they call the non hydraulic part that performs the same function a "Lifter" even though they dont lift anything

You can replace them if they bother you.. I have heard it costs anywhere from $400 to $600 to have a shop do it. Best of Luck

Tunes67

ManoWar · Post by **ManoWar** » May 29th, 2005, 6:30 am

thx tunes as always with a good answer. So basicly i shouldn't worry too much. But why did it appear after i pushed the car? this is what scared me i went to 6700rpm for a bit in 4th then 5th etc.... and this appeard. Thats why i got so paranoid.

Grants · Post by **Grants** » May 29th, 2005, 6:51 am

Added oil (i was waaay under low on the dipstick

So basicly i shouldn't worry too much

You should worry a lot.

quicksliver · Post by **quicksliver** » May 29th, 2005, 11:48 am

Same thing happened to me...it's your cam shaft friction gear spring. You blew em' at high rpms. Exact same thing happened to me a couple years back. Don't listen to the guys that say it's yoru HLA's...your HLA's won't just all of a sudden start ticking on your after pushing the limits on the highway....it's your springs.

Tunes67 · Post by **Tunes67** » May 29th, 2005, 1:21 pm

Sorry man.. I didnt really read your original post.. I just read your post asking what HLA stood for. As quicksilver pointed out.. the ticking you have left could be your friction gear. And as grants pointed out.. if you ran your engine that hard that low on oil.. yeah you should be concerned. Without being able to hear the actual sound.. its really anyones guess as to what it is.. it could be the HLA's, it could be the friction gear or.. it could even be a rod knock. Take it to a Mazda Tech and have them listen to it. Or.. make a good quality sound recording of the noise and post it back so that the folks here can hear it. I am not positive what the friction gear tick sounds like.. But I could identify either the HLA's or a Rod Knock. Quicksilver would know for sure the friction gear tick sounds like. Best of luck.

Tunes67

ManoWar · Post by **ManoWar** » May 29th, 2005, 3:30 pm

quicksliver wrote:Same thing happened to me...it's your cam shaft friction gear spring. You blew em' at high rpms. Exact same thing happened to me a couple years back. Don't listen to the guys that say it's yoru HLA's...your HLA's won't just all of a sudden start ticking on your after pushing the limits on the highway....it's your springs.

And if it is the camshaft friction gear then how much would it cost to repair it. And also is it wise to run the engine

ManoWar · Post by **ManoWar** » May 29th, 2005, 9:21 pm

it doesn't tick anymore. Added oil and everything seems fine.

Grants · Post by **Grants** » May 29th, 2005, 9:35 pm

I find mine needs about half a litre every 1,000 km. I change the oil and filter every 5,000 km and you can hear the difference after the change.

I'm sure you'll check it a lot more often now!

ManoWar · Post by **ManoWar** » May 29th, 2005, 10:01 pm

Grants wrote:I find mine needs about half a litre every 1,000 km. I change the oil and filter every 5,000 km and you can hear the difference after the change.

I'm sure you'll check it a lot more often now!

yes i used to before my last oil change. Added syntetic and did 4000clicks in under 2 weeks and i admit forgot to check it. Will change the oil in another 4clicks. I just hope i didn't bend anything inside considering i added now 2L to get it back to normal.

quicksliver · Post by **quicksliver** » May 30th, 2005, 1:07 pm

ManoWar wrote:it doesn't tick anymore. Added oil and everything seems fine.

Well then yah, it was your HLA's. It cost me $1100.00cdn to have Mazda fix my right cam shaft friction gear i belive it was...couple other minor things were on the bill.

good_glory · Post by **good_glory** » May 30th, 2005, 10:29 pm

quicksliver wrote:[It cost me $1100.00cdn to have Mazda fix my right cam shaft friction gear i belive it was...couple other minor things were on the bill.

ARE YOU SERIOUS??????????????

I am having this same problem out of nowhere but a great oil change (c/o JW) didnt change anything. The deeper ticking is the HLAs but theres like a chirping sound thats a higher pitch. I was gunna go get a diagnostic at Mazda but though i'd look around here first.

Maybe someone at thursdays meet might be able to figuire it out for me