WARNING FOR PAT

[Mnemonic]

I know your planning on doing another Group Buy for the HVAC pannels, but to save you some troubles, Speedhut was not authorised to re-use my design in any way, and it sounds like im being a ****, but i am not going to allow a company to make a money off of my design, and my idea. And yes i can legally say that both are mine, just because i have them copywritten. I will be contacting speedhut tomarrow (monday jan.26.04) and will be questioning why they are still selling my design after i pre-agreement of only 50 units to be made.

I'm sorry to be a **** about it, but when i was not asked to use my design, and people go over my head and STEAL my design, you have to be, now i will gladly, ill also post further information that i recieve about this matter.

[Street-Import]

Hey, first of all I am organizing this group buy only to let more mx3 fans able to get a HVAC panels and I am not making anything out of this either. This is a canadian group buy, I have to add the taxes and customs duties fees to the product prices and I am also giving an extra 4$ to Jeff to support this wonderful website.

If you are gonna be an *** about it, I dont think its a problem. I am a certified Graphic design / 3d animator as well. The only thing you changed from this design is the car logos for the air circulation... How hard is that to change it... Even if we put the stock logo for those 2 and leave everything else the same (oem)... I dont think you asked Mazda to use the rest of their designs and logos... which are the same as the stock HVAC panels which you dont have any copyrights on that...

I will do these minor change in the next 5 minutes and send the new template to speedhut... and everyone will be happy and get a HVAC panels too. So you can shove your little 2 cars design where ever you want... trying to threatening me with all these allegations...

I will simply make a template same as the stock HVAC panel so you can sleep well with these little 2 car logos...

What a joke... Stealing my design... I should email mazda about it. Since its 99% of their design that you stole... Hope your contact infos on the GB page are still good so they can reach you...

You have no rights to say anything about this group buy since we will use stock OEM panels design, same as what you basically did...

So the group buy will go as planned. I will post the informations in the next days. We already have many interested from the mx-3quebec club as well where I organized MANY group buy. And I got Jeff approbation already and made all the arrangments.

[Mnemonic]

you know very little about copyright law:

TITLE 17 > CHAPTER 1 > Sec. 106
Subject to sections 107 through 121, the owner of copyright under this title has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following:

(1)to reproduce the copyrighted work in copies or phonorecords;

Had you ASKED to use my design, permission would of been granted, even if i did just modify mazda's design, legally under copyright law it makes it my design, guess what there are changes, for 1 mazda didnt use the Eurostile font, I did, yea the 2 little cars just to give it flare, the actual symbols have also been altered, the colors i used are different than the stock colors. so this is well over 40% differnce in mazda design, which by copyright law makes it an original design, designed by me. And go ahead and alter the original design, I've already contacted speedhut about it, its still copyright infringment now its been done, the fact that they tried to resell my design to another person with out my permission says it all. You consider me standing up for my work, being a ****? Lets say i took something of yours, had some one make it for me, and sell it with out your permission, I am really sure you would be cool with it. (end of sarcasm) Its simple, its my legally my design, and i wouldnt of been hardcore about it, if i was asked to use it, hell i authorised someone else to use it right after the 1st groupbuy was over.
And i never threatened you, i stated that speedhut was not authorized to use that design after the 1st groupbuy. So if you have problems with that you need to contact speedhut.

[Street-Import]

I have no problems with that. Like I said I will use the OEM design. Also SpeedHut never tried to make any money out of your design. I just asked them to make a new group buy for the HVAC panel and they agreed and nobody mentionned your design anyway... How hard is it to make one... just have to change the fonts and little details... about what 30 mins of work... I will send the new template shortly to SpeedHut. You are simply freaking out for nothing and being an *** . I dont even make a penny out of this. We will have a new template thats it... Similar to the OEM ones and we will add little changes like you did...

[playaa]

Mneumonic, what a joke guy.. You say if you had been asked? What about my post? read what is before you... I didnt even know about Pat's GB and ALL I was trying to do was "ASK" get your story on a 1 way path bro then make your arguments, k thx ^^! Anyways you altered the colors, If I remember correctly someone has copyright of the (Reverse Indiglo Colors) from the original gauges that you "designed to match" so you cant copyright the colors, and first of all as stated before the whole panel is MAZDA's design so you cant copyright it... second of all did you create the Eurostyle font? Didn't think so... so therefore someone elses copyright. Not Yours, third sure the cars might be yours but if we wanted them that bad we could easily ask WyldSide to use his logo.. Which I am sure you probably based your idea's from being how close they are to each other... And when did you create the color white?.... Can't copyright it. I.E. <img src="http://www.wyldsidetech.com/images/banner_main.jpg" alt=" - " />

[Mnemonic]

speedhut didnt make any money off the design eh considering the last gb pulled them 1,750 dollars US.

And it doesnt matter how hard it is to make one, your still missing the point, it is my design. and yea it didnt take me but 30 min max to design the entire thing, whats your point?

And sure i am being an *** about it, why not, it was soposed to be an original item, which now it will be, exactly the way i wanted it.
If i wanted everyone and there mom to have one i would of gave them permission to continue making them.

At that i rest my case, yea it seems im being an *** to the mx3 community by not wanting other to be able to order these, but like i said before i designed it as a original item, i even marketed it that way.

[playaa]

Also, thanks Pat for doing something to help the whole MX-3 community being the car barely has aftermarket, I thought ther MX3 owners worked together to create a formidable aftermarket to help people mod their RARE cars... Not see it to be a "Competition" against people of his own, only when you go to a show does it become some what of a competition and most likely noone will ever have the same car no matter how much of the same stuff you have like each other..

[Mnemonic]

tell you guys what, go read up on copyright law and come back and talk to me.

lets put it this way, there is always 1 company that makes a product and copyrights it. then you have sub companies that go underneath you and do the exact same design but alter it.

and hey you know what im gonna give you some help, according to copyright law if you alter the original design by 20% it then becomes a new design. so technically if you changed the font to lets say Handel Gothic which is similar to mazda's font (also moca's logo font) then you could do my design, then if you made the mx3 outline a little large maybe by 2-4 points then WOW its no longer my design. Thats how the world works though, i mean look at it, mazdaspeed did there front end, then corksport went and altered it but still looks like the mazdaspeed, but its there design, there are tons and tons of items out there that look extremely similar but are just different by a hair, your normal consumer wouldnt recognise the differences but they are there.

so there ive given you the "secret" about getting around my design, so yea i am an *** , but like i said all of this would have been avoided if i was asked, which i wasnt, which was wrong on your part

[Street-Import]

No problem, its a pleasure to help the Mx3 community. Alot of people are interested about these new HVAC panels and I will make sure that everyone have one. The new design is currently in progress and should be done in the next hour... I will post it as well in the next days with the Group Buy post authorized by Jeff. It will look basically the same but with minor changes so our "friend" Mnemonic can sleep better... And just to make him more happy I will give the complete Copyrights to SpeedHut so they can produce them as much as they want... I am not here to make money and being an *** about kiddy simple designs that almost anyone can do... Its not the Mickey mouse logo that we are talking about here... hehe

Hope everyone will enjoy the new HVAC's! Long life to the mx-3's! even if mine is getting more rusty every years... fun to be canadian...

[playaa]

Are you blind Mneumonic? I TRIED TO ASK DUDE! But read back and see the reply I got... As Said Before...

[Mnemonic]

Anyway that I can get one now? I want to swap my 95's air controls over to the 93's so that I can use these... So please get in touch with me about the HVAC panel, whoever set up the first buy...

Ok you asked is there anyway you can get one, your asking for an entire unit, NOT TO USE MY DESIGN,to have one made, there is a differnce, you see this arguement is completely different.

and yea thanks pat for doing this, but still speedhut wasnt authorized to use the design.

and i hope people bring more stuff to the mx3 community
my self ive brought

Copper headgaskets for the 2.0 kfze which turns out will also work on the 1.8 k8, Stainless steel valves for the 1.8 and 2.0 and these Hvac pannels, and i have more stuff in the work that will be open to the public.

<small>[ January 25, 2004, 10:37 PM: Message edited by: Mnemonic ]</small>

[Mnemonic]

Originally posted by Pat:
[QB]I have to add the taxes and customs duties fees to the product prices QB]

i am curious about this though, just a little odd that no taxes or custom duties were charged on my groupbuy, infact shipping was the same in the US as in Canada, hell the majority of the people who purchased were in canada. So why are they being added on now, if there is no actual charge? hell i send 5 of them to austria and to my knowledge never had to pay anymore than the shipping and handling, no custom fees or special taxes.

[jplar]

Mnemonic, I understand your wanting to protect your work, and I"m totally down with that. I also see where you are going with the 40% change thing, making it your original design look.

But from what I'm able to understand from the various posts, this guy Pat is designing one that looks OEM in nature, which would it infringe on Mazda's copyright laws, or would SpeedHut ultimately be held accountable for actually making them? All depends if someone at some point is getting paid for more than just the parts and labor for physically making the piece I suppose.

I mean, basically the group buy organizer is just doing the organizing, facilitating. If you think that the new HVAC is infringing on your copyright laws, then you should take your fight to the buyers, each and everyone of them.

I'm not sure why exactly you are raising such holy hell over, honestly. If it's about your design, Pat has stated he's not using it, he's using his own. I'm sure Pat will make sure his design is 40% different from the Mazda design, and if not, who cares?!

[Street-Import]

just a little odd that no taxes or custom duties were charged on my groupbuy, infact shipping was the same in the US as in Canada

duh! when you ship the gauges you dont have to pay anything. Its the guy who receive it located in Canada that's gonna have to pay customs duties. And if you mark them as a gift with a low value he will not have to pay anything most likely. But if I order 20 HVAC from SpeedHut its illegal for them to lie on the invoice and the customs duties are basically both taxes so around 15% + a brokerage fees for the paper work. UPS are the worst in that...

Why dont you educate yourself before making allegations accusing me to charge people extra fees and making money...

The only one who will pay more will be you, to pay for my time to make the new template... since you dont give up with you childish attitude...

The group buy is going as planned, details will be posted today.

[Mnemonic]

educated? i wouldnt of made the mistake of posting that comment, if i didnt already know that NONE of the people on the groupbuy had to pay anything extra than what they had to pay me (except for 1 and thats because he gave a PO box as his address)

here ill help you even more, because of the size and weight of these things you can ship the regular mail and no custom fees or "special taxes" maybe thats the reason it was one charge for shipping in both canada and the US.

No matter im done with this, i have better things to attend to, than arguing with you about the simple fact that you didnt ask to use my design you just went to speedhut and asked to groupbuy, and maybe not saying, hey use mnemonics design, but if they said they only needed 10 for the groupbuy then you should know that they were going to use my template considering if they had to make a new one they would have to do a brand new buy which would require them to have 25 orders.

Use the Oem design i frankly didnt care that much, i was just pointing out the fact that you never asked to use my design in anyway.