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[projectmx]

you should really see what some of the miata guys are doing with their ms setups... i'm really impressed... i have seen very few complaints about the MS system... infact import tuner just did a project miata with the MS

[shaodome]

Did they ever finish the 2nd half of that article?

They are using the same Dual Trigger code that Ryanpzz of PT fame was integral in development in testing with James Murray of the UK.

[projectmx]

http://www.miataturbo.net/forums/forumd ... 18b3d&f=18

this is a miata turbo forum, they have an entire subsection devoted to megasquirt

[gotboost]

I read all this talk about the greddy ultimate .. has anyone actually installed one with a KLZE??? I just got mine and was wondering if there was any wiring diagrams available. any help would be appreciated thanks

[BuGS]

Well I agree with what Ric and Limegreen have said before because they have the same attitude as most great Tuners do, esspecially the ones I have talked to, the MS is cheap for a reason. I have noticed a lot on the RX7 club that the MS and Haltek users have both been running into a lot of problems with the units themselves. I would really try to go with either a Tec II or III if I had any amount of real money into my car (real meaning $4000 or more). Why spend that much then cheese out on the most important part of an engine, its tuning. The lowest I would go is SDS or Microtec. SDS has been proven to be very reliable and on the cheaper side. Microtec has also been proven to do that by them Aussy's. But I would really look into finding an older Tec II setup off of some older tuner car or looking into a Tec III if you want a good solid setup. I saw a Tec II on the 323 Yahoo groups the other day for $800. I emailed the guy 20mins after he posted it and it was already gone.... Sad

Well put by somebody who apperently has no experience and is relying on peoples opinions who also have no experience with the MS based system.

Just because you pay a lot of money for something doesn't mean its a quality product. Look at the LC1 wideband for example. It's on par (as terms of cost) with other widebands out there, but if you ever used one, you would realize it really is a POS cheaply made product...or the victim of poor RnD.

As for the MS, it doesn't have the following of Haltech or Microtech because of its DIY nature and the only people who post are those that have problems. A lot of the rotoary stuff u mention is still experimental, so that point holds no meaning. The guy who is doing a lot of the code (muthabixer) is a smart guy and has done a tremendous amoutn of code work for rotaries. They were not intrinsictly supported by MSnSExtra code in the beginning.

I have met with several tuners who have the same attitude as you...the whole too good to be true thing...that is until they see it in action. Then they change their tune to "how do I get these!" Seen it time and time again. They are afraid to jump into something they don't know...as expected.

The lowest you would go is an SDS? Have you ever experienced an SDS vs MS? That statement alone leaves me to believe you have not. For starters, that screen...2 lines of actual data in your tables...come on!

The Tec setups are nice, but getting dated...I have no experience with the TEC 3 though...

A lot of these EMS mention in the thread require custom trigger systems to be fabricated before use. For example...the Haltek requires the 60-2 wheel for a lot of their stuff and SDS with the flying magnets. Some systems can be adapted to use stock sensor inputs, some cannot.

For example...look at the LINK system. Its a nifty setup, but it doesn't support VR sensor inputs natively.

Have a problem with your MoTec? Go ahead and try to give them a phone call Granted there are better systems out there. If I could have afforded to go MoTec I would have done so in a heart beat. That system is incredible, thumbs up to them. Their is a reason they use those on LeMans cars....

There is so much stuff in development right now for the MS it will make your head spin. As soon as they release things like the CAN enabled routerboard and gpio stuff....Haltek better hold onto their pants...because with the growing number of turn key providers for MS (removing the DIY part)...well...just wait and see

As for right now...my piddly MS does the following:

Running 480CC injectors (batch)
Wasted spark ignition (internal coil drivers)
Knock control
Launch Control
Rev limiters (duh)
idle control
EGT logging (built, just not connected atm)
VRIS control

I also built the rest of the functionalities into the setup, but I haven't connected (I do not have reason to yet) many other of the MS supported features...

Boost control, water injection, nitrous control, progressive shift lights, few other programmable outputs, etc....to name some off the top of my head.

Also...for those of u running another aftermarket EMS...is yours emissions compliant? Mine can be If I opted to keep the cam sensor and not modify the stock crank wheel to remove it (6-1) I could use the stock ECU to continue to run things like the EGR and purge. Then as long as you tuned your AFRs correctly, you can pass your emissions check....with no codes

Yes the MS can do a lot of stuff, but until it is proven to be as reliable, I still would not put it in my car. It has gotten a lot better over the last 5 yrs, but it is still the same fact, OEM Sensors are not meant to Handle 500+ hp figures. And most sensors used with a MS setup for most is the OEM Stock sensors. So yes, I would still go with an SDS system because it comes with all new sensors. Sensors that are up to handling the 500+ Hp. I always keep it a rule of thumb, if you care about your setup do the same thing you do with injectors, keep it at 80% or less of the max of the sensor.

And I understand you have had great success, And I give you a thumbs up for that. You are a good builder. Keep it up.

And BTW, you using the LC-1 as an example of a POS product is pretty lam. I am wondering if you have used one? My friend has one for his car, and he has a laptop to do the readout with the logworks 2 software, and it is a sweet setup. He uses it with his WRX and so far has had awesome success with it.