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Bochek wrote:for the sake of not getting confused, stick to the saterday the 24th...
thats my opinion, and people will come no matter what day it is.
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I must be blowing hot air or something. NO, people will not come if they have to work on Saturday. You said it yourself, you have to change your work dates to accomodate. A lot of people don't have that luxury.
Simple math here folks,
Sat vs Sun = All businesses and retail are open for business. Therefore, if people aren't going to or coming from work they are going to or coming from shopping. Add all of this together with regular work activities and you have a very congested traffic situation.
Lets through into the mix the cruise/roadtrip which again will have to deal with Sat VS Sun traffic = Not fun again!!!!!
I agree that the location is very condusive to our venue but believe that it's a royal pain in the but to contend with all of that city traffic to get to it. I know it's too late to change the location and it's unfortunate that those that live so close by to the suggested locales never took the time to make a quick recce to confirm. That said, what has the parks and recreation dept of Mississauge said about our gathering? Have we got their blessing for an organized event? Pretty embarrassing if we get escorted out.
One place that comes to the top of my mind is the Kelso Conservation area. It's in Milton right off..... I mean right off the 401. Parks and recreation controlled, lots of parking, park like setting with hills, a public pool nearby, and food concessions nearby. No city traffic to contend with, easy acces from the east or west, easy to find. Central location for Niagara, London area and the Toronto area, (where the bulk of participants will come from). We have Mr. MX-3.com, (Jeff) who lives there and could probably do a bit of pre-coordination (if required) to local facilities. Added bonus => it's a perfect spot to start the cruise from since it's on the Bruce Trail/Niagara escarpment area = no brainer to me.
What exactly is the fun / happy factor gained by maintaining tradition for tradition's sake? What if it was to move each year to a new locale as part of it's unique venue? Somehow it appears those are unwilling to thinkm outside the box, or at the very least, step outside of it. Don't worry folks it won't bite. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.If we keep doing what we've always been doing and keep thinking we'll get different/better results than before, than then those people have some serious issues. Don't expect different results by doing the same thing over and over again, that's just plain dysfunctional thinking.
Anyway, like i said before, last year was a wake up call for those that didn't happen to notice. And if we don't take head to that notice, we'll endure the consequences.
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im still sayin stick to the origional plan, its just too late to change it.

and i would have to change work dates to accomidate sunday, not saterday.

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Bochek wrote:im still sayin stick to the origional plan, its just too late to change it.
What exactly makes it too late to change? I'm not hearing any viable reasons other than a select few preferences. What has to be changed, re-arranged, cancelled, rebooked, re-ordered, re-scheduled???? what? what? what? Make a post....DONE!!!!!! Too simple folks.

Bochek wrote: and i would have to change work dates to accomidate sunday, not saterday.
That is unfortunate, but we have to look at the big picture. This isn't about you or me. It's about what would fit the majority. I believe I've already explained it all in previous post. Does not any of that make any sense or has none of it sank in yet?




Perhaps I should ask who is in charge of all of this and go from there. Let's face it , last year was a near flop and we're not looking any better this year. In fact, prognosis don't look good.
Have we got a list started of confirmed attendees?
I for one wouldn't mind coordinating a cruise for the peeps arriving from the east. I think the Niagara gang has their act together already.
What about the southwestern area gang?
How about the GTA peeps?
Coordinated pick-up points and meeting points enroute would be ideal since there are those like Melissa that aren't up for cruises or driving adventures after the meet.
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both days are cool with me, i booked saturday off work already tho, and since it takes me a lil over an hour to get there it would kinda be nice to have it on the saturday. i'm sure others are in the same boat with me here. so i vote on not changing it this year, since it's a little late now. But changing it to milton sounds like a better idea then mississauga, and it's only like 15-20 mins away, so why not right. anyways, regardless of where it's going to be, i will be there, i know how to get to both places, so up to you guys, anywho, keep me
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jschrauwen wrote:I must be blowing hot air or something. NO, people will not come if they have to work on Saturday. You said it yourself, you have to change your work dates to accomodate. A lot of people don't have that luxury.
Simple math here folks,
Sat vs Sun = All businesses and retail are open for business. Therefore, if people aren't going to or coming from work they are going to or coming from shopping. Add all of this together with regular work activities and you have a very congested traffic situation.
Lets through into the mix the cruise/roadtrip which again will have to deal with Sat VS Sun traffic = Not fun again!!!!!.
Well, you can't win either way. Myself, I know what it's like working weekends, cause I worked BOTH Sat and Sun for many years, so I would of been SOL myself. Some people can't come out on Saturday cause they work, some people can't come out Sunday cause they work the next day. There are people that come from some decent distances too. Who's to say people work Sunday but not Saturday? You can't cater to everyone. IMO, there are less people what would be working on Saturday, than people that can't come out cause they have to work the next day. Plus, if we want to do the cruise in the evening, people act like their out late every night and can't handle staying out past their bed time once in a while. This would not be an issue on Saturdays, but unfortunately,
Trevor wrote:Just to bring this to everyone's Attention that if we Have this on the 24th which is a Saturday the curise to no frills in the Falls will be a waste. The No Frills Show is a Sunday thing which is the 25th. So are we going to have this Meet on Sunday the 25th???
we found this out a little late. So we have a cruise on a Saturday night, but people may or may not be available cause their working (as stated in your example), but coulld possibly stay out late, or we have it on Sunday night, when the cruise night on Lundy's lane is happening to give a reason to go there, but no one will want to come cause they have to work in the morning, you can't win :( Whatever date, I'm not going to be there. I'm 900km away (Mx-3's waiting back at home). I wont get my first paycheck until that week, and with my 2 months of uneployment and accumulated debt, that needs to be attentend to first, so I wont have money for a plane ticket home for that weekend. But FYI, I want to try to make it for July 8th for the TSS show.

As for traffic, it makes no diff for a Saturday or Sunday anymore, it matters if their construction or not. Personally, I find it busier on Saturdays, cause everything is open, and people are driving everywhere.
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I agree that the location is very condusive to our venue but believe that it's a royal pain in the but to contend with all of that city traffic to get to it. I know it's too late to change the location and it's unfortunate that those that live so close by to the suggested locales never took the time to make a quick recce to confirm. That said, what has the parks and recreation dept of Mississauge said about our gathering? Have we got their blessing for an organized event? Pretty embarrassing if we get escorted out..
Location shouldn't really matter. It's a meeting location, and the local shouldn't make a difference, cause the meet isn't about the location. The location is just an area to gather. Sure we can find another place, but we'll all care about that when we first pull in than focus on the people and the cars afterwards. I agree food isn't convinient at the current location, but that's the point of suggesting a BBQ. A pool, well, that would just split up the meet-ee's, we want to try to keep everyone together and mingle. Once everyone starts to divide up, people get bored, neglected and leave. If we want to be in an area that prodives other activities, people will wonder off, ruining the point of a meet. If we want to do something as a group, let plan it as a group, not be in an area and *hope* people do their own ways, cause that's not want we want them to do.

This is what, the 8th, 9th meet? If there was an issue, it would of been brought up by now. I'm sure they know about us, cause it was even un the newspaper quite some time ago. We've been there many times, we've never cause any reason for concern. Cops always drive by the meets without any incident or even say a word. As for tradidtion's sake, how do you explain tradition...it's tradidtion, plain and simple.

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One place that comes to the top of my mind is the Kelso Conservation area. It's in Milton right off..... I mean right off the 401. Parks and recreation controlled, lots of parking, park like setting with hills, a public pool nearby, and food concessions nearby. No city traffic to contend with, easy acces from the east or west, easy to find. Central location for Niagara, London area and the Toronto area, (where the bulk of participants will come from). We have Mr. MX-3.com, (Jeff) who lives there and could probably do a bit of pre-coordination (if required) to local facilities. Added bonus => it's a perfect spot to start the cruise from since it's on the Bruce Trail/Niagara escarpment area = no brainer to me.
Well, this is something you could organize for next year. This year, what the problem is that we organized it as a group. Well, maybe it's all my fault that this year will be a flop. It's my fault that I steped in, when no one else did, and organized all ideas into a single day event in which the majority of the people, who actively provided their input in the proper threads (and not last minute), was happy with what was organized. I did what I could on my part with what I had for information. What needs to be done is next year, a person, 1 person who knows everything, steps in, organizes the 2007 MMM all by themselves. They choose and sets everything in stone, so no one has any input, nothing changes last minute so people can book the day off, and it will cater to everyone, everyone will be happy and it will be the best Mississauga (or whatever city it's moved to) Mazda Meet ever, cause obviously I wasn't able to pull it all together and do it this year. Maybe it's a good thing I wont be there, so I can't be criticized on how bad I organized this event.

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This is getting to be a headache. First off.....I dont think the co-ordination of this event or any other one has to do with the attendance that we have had previously. We all know what I and the rest of the regular members went through the last couple years with this club hence the reason why I do not contribute as much as I used to.This has never been a popular club and the meets never turn out the way people want them to. This year has been brutal so far where attendance in concerned. That does not have anything to do with whoever is organizing the meets - It has to do with the members in this club. Obviosuly in this club everyone has different priorities and besides a select few - no one is really concerned about keeping this club alive. There are meets all over the place in different areas but still the meets have gone downhill. After last years continous failed meets - I gave up. Thats y I just started attending a few meets that were organized by someone else. Everyone will not always be happy and no matter what happens this meet cannot be blamed on Mike. Once again he is the only one who stepped up to the plate and took responsibililty to organize this even when no one else would.

Now John - I was not around when this meet was first getting organized - I am going with the original plan here and Saturday it is. Personally I prefer Sunday but like it has already been stated - Its been set this way for awhile and theres really no point in changing now due to the fact that people have already planned around this. Now what is the problem here? Theres always people that can't make it and if u cant....u cant! Whats so different about this meet? No one cares if they make it to any other meet. Im only saying that since this date and location was set awhile back - lets leave it - nothing was mentioned before that there was a problem with the date and location so its done. Theres always the weekly meets to attend to and then theres MOM. Also it is not fair to change it now that people have taken the day off work - Since they have already done so because the date was already set- it would not be fair to them.

I'd be happy with just getting the regulars out....I will try to do what I can to make this meet a lil different then the previous ones.......but no matter what we do...where we plan it for and when it is planned for...that does not change the members attitude towards the club.
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not to mention, there are members that dont check the forums constantly for updates.

i think we all hada good discussion, but it should stick. Just for the fact of, thats the way its been planed sence the beginning.

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It was because Typoonk(sp?) got married that day and he couldn't come.

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:oops:

It was on Sunday last year .... this year we did take a vote ... but I think that was to pick one of the two dates given ... it wasn't discussed I don't think on a Saturday or a Sunday ....

Well ... whatever date it is I'll be there ...........



But I did get frustrated this year that it wasn't being planned fast enough ........ I still feel that everything still isn't altogether ....... :shrug:

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Bochek wrote:not to mention, there are members that dont check the forums constantly for updates.
That's true, but planing and ideas have been going since January. There was plenty of time to even the occasional visitor to see and contribute. The voting thread for voting for the date was active for about 2 weeks before it died off, apparently 2 weeks wasn't long enough....

Yes, deb, you were right, it was on a Sunday last year, as well as the year before. 2003 and prior were on Saturdays

I dont know why we choose Saturday, but it was never discussed to change it.

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I dont know, this didn't come together cause things kept on trying to get changed. We get a few ideas, get a plan, everything is good and people are happy, than a month later, it all gets flipped around, it's not good and should be changed. It's still not together cause people still aren't happy. Next year I'm not going to bother with anything in regards to it.
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I don't think finger pointing or blame laying would really accomplish much. Questions I asked earlier never did get a reasonable answer or answered at all. Not sure why that is. Everything one does in life is about change, it's inevitable. I was part of the process back in January. Did a bunch of research, gave valid proposals and valid suggestions and courses of action that those living within a stones throw could follow up on. Not one suggestion, proposal or course of action that I provided was ever considered and was sumarily dismissed. WHY, that rundundant, mundane and rediculous reason was.... TRADITION. Well my friends, tradition is about the past. The past has clearly showed that the old ways of doing business based on TRADITION is not working and is evident now that the way ahead does not bode well. Stick to the Mississauga Marina, stick to Saturday and let the chips fall where they may.

I really don't have much of an incentive at this point to run a summer poker run.
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so did everyone just come to a agreement?

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Bochek wrote:so did everyone just come to a agreement?
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Agreement????????????????????????????? What agreement??? I guess we did. We agree to dissagree............................ I guess, don't really care at this point.
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jschrauwen wrote:I was part of the process back in January. Did a bunch of research, gave valid proposals and valid suggestions and courses of action that those living within a stones throw could follow up on. Not one suggestion, proposal or course of action that I provided was ever considered and was sumarily dismissed. WHY, that rundundant, mundane and rediculous reason was.... TRADITION. Well my friends, tradition is about the past. The past has clearly showed that the old ways of doing business based on TRADITION is not working and is evident now that the way ahead does not bode well. Stick to the Mississauga Marina, stick to Saturday and let the chips fall where they may.

I really don't have much of an incentive at this point to run a summer poker run.
Wow John, I love your confidence. You know what, I'm not going to comment on your reply. I'm really disgusted. Your acting like it's your way, or it's wrong. Honestly, if it does fail, it will be from lack of organization, and not from location. I really can't see how a location will make a meet fail, but that's my opinion. If you don't like who, what, where, when and how of the 2006 Mississauga Mazda Meet, how about you show us that your right for 2007. And tradition is tradition, and if you want something different, associate it and organize another unrelated event and leave the MMM as it traditionally is. There's nothing stoping you, or anyone to organize an event, as you wish it to be, any day and time during the year. There's no restrictions or limites on how many large meets we can have. We act like MMM is the only big, organized (or disorganized) event we're allowed to have. If MMM is a flop, we do a John-suggested even in July, or August, or September...

And I can't believe that because the MMM 2K6 isn't to your liking, your not going to organize a poker run. That is a very immature and selfish gesture.
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I have not said much in this thread, but I think that this meet will turn out just fine....

Saturday is what I heard and I have no problem with it, AT Kennedy Commons the mx3 guys that showed up talked about the meet.

Melissa had some great idea, but I will leave it to her to post her idea.

All I know is I am going to Lakeshore Promanade on that Saturday....
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