The new 2001 MX-3

[Custommx3]

Ford does not own mazda, for has stock in mazda, but do not own it.<BR>Here, this should explain everything<BR><A HREF="http://www.mazda.com/mazda/brief/no-s4.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.mazda.com/mazda/brief/no-s4.html</A>

[powerman_5000]

Ok guys, you all dis the fords and say that they bite because there american cars and not imports. Well when Ford said the qoute "Built Ford Tough". They mean it and I have experienced this first hand. I have a 1985 Ford Tempo that still runs great. No problems with it. This car 16 years old and is a tough son of a biznotch. Unlike the Hondas, Acuras, Mistubishi and so on which sit in junk yards after 8 years. So Fords are built tough.<P>just my 2 Cents [img]shrug.gif"%20border="0[/img]

[axess]

I used to own a Tempo myself, I think that the only reason those cars still work is because they are not abused like a honda on acura or whatever other type of descent car would endure.<P>My 2 cents.

[SirCruizer]

Hondas sit in junk yards after 8 years? YEAH sure thats why civics were the number one family car for like how many years in a row? Theyve also been known to run more miles than any other engine like it. I dont know where you get that hondas sit in the junk yards after 8 years but Hondas and Mazda both have been known for thier excelent engines. Why do you think Ford uses them? Enough said.

[powerman_5000]

Ok look, this is something you can do when you have some time on your hands. Go to your nearest junk yard and look and see how many honda you see in there that are 5 years old or older. Most likely you will see quite a lot. Ranging from totalled to over abused to just crap. I've seen more imports not just hondas sit in junkyards rather than the american domestics. So all I have to say is that american cars aren't bad.

[Skiddy]

Ok As I have read from many that Mazda and Ford have no relation. But if they have no relation then why does Mazda's website have the Ford Motor Company logo on it? and if you click on that logo a box comes up and states the following: "We invite you to look through the other proud members of our Ford Motor Company family." and then it had logos for Aston Martin, Jaguar, Volvo, Land Rover, lincon, Ford, Mercury, and Mazda. I was wondering if someone could explain that because according to what you guys said, I am confused. Is that because Ford owns 25% of Mazda? I am just curious.<p>[ November 28, 2001: Message edited by: Skiddy ]

[finchuck]

well my escort gt has a mazda engine, as does the probe i believe...

[Custommx3]

I will repeat what I said before, read this to clarify any discrpencies.<BR><A HREF="http://www.mazda.com/mazda/brief/no-s4.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.mazda.com/mazda/brief/no-s4.html</A>

[Frenchguy0]

Cutommx3, so far you've always been a source of great info ans answers, but this time you totally screwed up !<BR>Read again the lunk your provided and you'll see that Ford and Mazda are in a long term relationship for many parts, cars and financing for 20 years. For example look at pics of Mazda 121 and Ford Fiestas..It says in your link that Ford owns 25 % of Mazda.<BR>Also your dealership is fuull of crap. Hyundai is still independant and in fact bought another korean car company.<BR>The Ford Puma is NOT an MX-3 with a new body. It's a new car that has been built in Europe (German designers) for European markets to compete with the Opel Tigra. Sure the concept is the same, a small coupe with bublly thrunk but MX-3s and Pumas were never and never will be the same. The Ford group includes Ford, Mazda, Mercury, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Land Rover, Volvo and more. Some cars are made in Europe for the European markets some for global markets (Focus) and some just for american markets.<BR>Once again David, I'm sorry to prove you wrong with your own arguments.

[ProtegeSTS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Custommx3:<BR><STRONG><P>I got this from the dealership here in Memphis, <BR>Ford does not and never has owned Mmazda, they had a partnership. Mazda owns Hundai now according to the dealer. Its called Mazda-Hundai @ the dealership. Ford I guess had a contract with Mazda to use their parts. But to clarify this, Mazda is NOT owned bt Ford in anyway.</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Thats the dealership, not the companies. Ford controls mazda, and Hyundai is its own company at this point.

[Custommx3]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ProtegeSTS:<BR><STRONG><P>Thats the dealership, not the companies. Ford controls mazda, and Hyundai is its own company at this point.</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I will repeat what I said before, read this to clarify any discrpencies. <A HREF="http://www.mazda.com/mazda/brief/no-s4.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.mazda.com/mazda/brief/no-s4.html</A> <P>Fod does not control mazda, they have a partnership. your correct about mazda-hyundi, being the dealership. People try and say that Ford has a link to mazda on its webpage, but MX-3.com has a link to corksport..

[azmtbkr81]

Mazda is a publicly traded corporation on the Tokyo stock exchange, and even though Ford does not own Mazda, the stockholders do, Ford owns a large part of Mazda: 30 something percent. Generally in any large corporation, any entity that owns 5% or more of a corporation's stock has a major say in what goes on since all important issues like electing a CEO and major corporate policy decisions are voted on by the stockholders. So yes, Ford technically controls Mazda. Of course Ford is going to say it is a "cooperative" relationship even though Mazda probably didn't want Ford to buy up all that stock in the first place. Ford would like nothing more than to have a monopoly on worldwide auto production and throwing a little quality Japanese engineering into the mix never hurt.<P>On a side note: ford cars suck-they should leave that to Mazda, but ford trucks kick a--. My buddy has an '86 F250 with 268,000 miles on it without any major mechanical problems, unfortunately he crashed it head on into a huge pine tree going 30mph with me in it-needless to say we both walked away without a scratch and the damn engine was still running! Try doing that in your MX-3!

[Custommx3]

30% is not a controlling factor unless he is the majority shareholder, which in this case I dont think they do, but unless its proven noone really knows. They have a say so because they are a major stock holder, and most companies work that way. I dont think ford has any say so on mazda J-Spec produced cars, nor does mazda have any say so of A-spec cars. Thye may have someting to do with some of the models produced in the US. <BR>Your correct about the owning part, Its a public company, stockholders own it. But I highly doubt mazda would sell the majority of its stocks to an American company.

[azmtbkr81]

You do have a point that 30% is not nessecarily a controlling stake. It is difficult to know for sure without looking at Mazda's books, but I think that in this case Ford is the majority shareholder. I am pretty sure that the whole reason Ford bought so much Mazda stock is that in the mid '90's Mazda, along with the rest of the Japanese economy, was struggling and Ford saw this as a golden oppertunity to gain control of a good company as well as expand their asian markets. I don't think Mazda had a choice at that point, it was either get taken over by Ford or go out of business. Plus I don't know why Ford would spend hundreds of millions of dollars to bail out a company that it wouldn't have control over. Also I know for a fact that Mazda has an American CEO: Mark Fields, who used to work for Ford. Either way, Ford is in the drivers seat. As far as the production of J-spec and A-spec cars, regardless of if Ford contorls Mazda or not, the marketing people in the respective countries are going to be the ones who decide what cars are produced, not upper management. The day to day operations of Mazda are still run by Mazda its just the major corporate decisions and policy that is controlled by Ford.

[SirCruizer]

I wrote Mazda like 3 weeks ago after this thing started. They wrote back about a week ago and said that "Ford does not run nor do they play any major part in decision making into Mazdas". The letter went on but I deleted it cause I thought Custom closed this case along time ago. But it also went on saying that because of the partnership they do consult each other when asked. Ford consults Mazda, Mazda consults Ford. That the partnership is a strong one and future stuff and blah blah blah. Anywayz Ford has a partnership with Mazda and thats all. Now lets seperate what people are bringing together. People are putting Ford and Mazda parts in one car + Ford having a 30% stock ownership must = Ford owning Mazda. Ok you guys are focusing to much. Ford uses Mazda engines because they have better specs and it keeps Ford production and employment costs down. Mazda inturn builds these engines and profits from them selling to Ford. Profit is good for a P/E ratio which in return drives stocks up because buyers see what they like. Ford has Mazda stock cause of a few different reasons. Anytime there is a partnerships the partners are going to own stock in one or both companies. Did you guys know or even look at the fact that Mazda owns Ford stock. Last time I checked it was like 15% give or take a couple points but that was a little bit ago. Does that means Mazda controls Ford and Ford controls Mazda since 5% is controlling, right? BTW, heres how you deterimine controlling stock. Lets say Bill owns shares of 50% in mo-mos chicken fry. Now Mo Mo was doing allright but he relises that more and more people are eating beef and hes not doing to well. Bills got more money than he knows what to do with and relising Mo Mos company is going under and he sees a way to change that but Mo Mo likes doing business the way he does. Well I dont know exactly what the formula is but Bill can buy a certain amount of stock and do what they call a "Hostile takeover". The thing is the only way this usally works is only if a business is suffering. Mazda is doing strong and Ford really doesnt have any "control" over them at all. Ok now on another note, you are buying a part or parts from a Company that is better than parts you can make and saves you money anywayz.... The Company is under threat of going under cause of a slumming econamy. Now relook and relise WHY Ford bought so much Mazda stock. Its because if they didnt spend money to "bail" out ford they would lose alot of money. It wasnt to control them. Its never been about controlling them. ITS SMART BUSINESS. This is why even though Ford sucks so badly they still strive greatly. On a side not this is also why Bill Gates is the richest man in the world. BTW, Mark left Ford because Mazda was lookin for a new CEO. You know how many other people would leave a firm to become CEO of Mazda? This isnt a "conspiracy" of Fords to take total control over Mazda. Anywayz, I got more explinations but I HOPE this is enough to convince you guys Ford does NOT own Mazda... Ford has a vary strong relationship and partnership with Mazda, that is it.