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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Hy300:
I'm with David, and all I'm hearing from Cage is skepticism and opinion without fact.<hr></blockquote><p>
You are missing the point... I am skeptical. as far as fact there is none THATS MY FREAKIN POINT!!!! NO BODY KNOWS WHAT THERE EUNOS PRODUCES HEHE
http://www.millenia.mazda.co.jp/spec04.html

you just wasted a good piece of bandwidth with this stunt<p>[ February 18, 2003: Message edited by: Hy300 ]</p>

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Cage:
PS Mr.Coleman do you have a responce to this http://www.millenia.mazda.co.jp/spec04.html
<hr></blockquote><p>They most likely discontinued carrying the Millenais with the 200hp KL because it cut into the Millenia S sales. How many 2003 Millenias do you think make it to engine importers?

In some Mazda literature, they refer to all engines for the Japanese market as KLZE's, and for the american Market as KLD(E)'s. Look at the compression ratio. That's whats going to clue you in. <p><p>The Green curve is a KLZE running an ECU from a Ford Probe KLDE; very different VRIS poitns as shown by the dips in the curves @ the KLDE VRIS points [172whp @ 5900RPM, 160 ft lbs @ 5000RPM]. This is Michel Fortier aka SuperProbe's dyno, which was a curved neck, KL01 cammed KLZE. Manufacturer's have lied about power output, but dyno's can't. <p>Do you have a dyno that proves otherwise?

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Hy300:
The jury is in your head, so don't be telling us the facts are there when you haven't shown anything but a sly rebuttal with your own opinion thrown in.<p>86.5% is bull, its an average. If you want to know if your horsepower and trap speed readings are accurate then take into account every variable there is. Weight, resistance, clutch, flywheel, time shifting, wheel hop, wheel spin, traction, drag coefficent, cross wind, tail wind, parasytic accessories, etc.<hr></blockquote><p>Ok what do I know 86.5 is bull. I didnt say it the universidy did. I am not trying to be sly I am looking for the truth ... It is out there. I hope. As for the drag coefficent, cross wind, tail wind, parasytic accessories, etc the universidy was refering to a dyno not a drag race. And the parasytic accessories are taken into account in the 86.5% Man this got hot quick. Can some one show me a like from mazda with the specs to an Eunos 800 ...Oh wait I can't eather but I can show you one from mazda on a millenia with a J-spec KL-ZE and the compressin is 9.2:1 not 10:1 and it's 190HP COOL RIGHT !!!! ?? http://www.millenia.mazda.co.jp/spec04.html<p>[ February 19, 2003: Message edited by: Cage ]</p>

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by David Coleman:
In some Mazda literature, they refer to all engines for the Japanese market as KLZE's, and for the american Market as KLD(E)'s. Look at the compression ratio. That's whats going to clue you in. <p><p>The Green curve is a KLZE running an ECU from a Ford Probe KLDE; very different VRIS poitns as shown by the dips in the curves @ the KLDE VRIS points [172whp @ 5900RPM, 160 ft lbs @ 5000RPM]. This is Michel Fortier aka SuperProbe's dyno, which was a curved neck, KL01 cammed KLZE. Manufacturer's have lied about power output, but dyno's can't. <p>Do you have a dyno that proves otherwise?<hr></blockquote><p>THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU somebody finaly provided PROOF I knew you had the info Mr. Coleman

OK. now What if the KL-ZE Eunos 800 only has 9.2:1 compression @ 190 Horsepower. Not the 10.1 That would mean the engine would be a beast forced induced. Right? http://www.millenia.mazda.co.jp/spec04.html<p>[ February 19, 2003: Message edited by: Cage ]</p>

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Cage:
<p>Ok what do I know 86.5 is bull. I didnt say it the universidy did. I am not trying to be sly I am looking for the truth ... It is out there. I hope. As for the drag coefficent, cross wind, tail wind, parasytic accessories, etc the universidy was refering to a dyno not a drag race. And the parasytic accessories are taken into account in the 86.5% Man this got hot quick. Can some one show me a link from mazda with the specs to an Eunos 800 ...Oh wait I can't either but I can show you one from Mazda on a millenia with a J-spec KL-ZE and the compressin is 9.2:1 not 10:1 and it's 190HP COOL RIGHT !!!! ?? http://www.millenia.mazda.co.jp/spec04.html<p>[ February 19, 2003: Message edited by: Cage ]<hr></blockquote>

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Hy300:
you just wasted a good piece of bandwidth with this stunt<p>[ February 18, 2003: Message edited by: Hy300 ]<hr></blockquote><p>What stunt .....? This board is for posting fact and the Opinion of many. We sort thru the bull **** to find the truth. I have shown thru research that some people are running Eunos 800 KL-ZE engines with 164 -170 hp depending on Year. Mr. Coleman has provided proof than some people have 190 to 200 HP Eunos 800 Engines. What part of this was waisted bandwith?
It took 14 hours for someone to post fact instead of what they heard from another guy.

The reason That I posted this post in the search of truth because of incorrect information from Mazda In this press release of the Xedos 9 (Eunos 800) http://www.media.mazda.com/press_info/mazda_xedos9/xedos9_pressinfo.pdf <p>They call it a 120Kw KL-ZE. Then they go and call it a KLD with 9.2:1 compression at the end. Well now aren’t you confused. So do you think then that they miss quoted it as a KL-ZE or do you think they miss quoted it as a KLD? <p>Now this link from mazda Japan http://www.millenia.mazda.co.jp/spec04.html It states the Millenia has 140Kw 190PS witch is 190.3Hp but the compression is still 9.2:1. Strange how in 2 separate cases Mazda may have fouled the information. This my friends is why I ask the question and put the KL-ZE eunos 800 on trial.
I am more confident that people who have an eunos 800 are running 190hp but I can not say that if someone asked me what engine to buy, I would say an Eunos 800. I think I would tell them to source the correct Manifold but to by a straight neck KL-ZE with KL31 on the engine and to put it in writing that the cams are KL-31. But then there is Dave who posted the Dyno of the Eunos 800 With KL101 Cams … Hmmmmm his compression is 10.1. But what about the poor people who buy an Eunos and end up with an engine described in the press release as 9.2:1 or the one that is KLD with 120Kw.
Scary this is….. Scary this is.
<p>[ February 19, 2003: Message edited by: Cage ]</p>

One thing to check too all the Jap spec Eunos 800 motors that I have seen have had an extra 3/8" vac port on the VRIS #1 runner. The U thing.

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by lazzyie:
One thing to check too all the Jap spec Eunos 800 motors that I have seen have had an extra 3/8" vac port on the VRIS #1 runner. The U thing.<hr></blockquote><p>What is it used for ? Ported for EGR ?

could be wrong but I thing the brake booster is on that side...

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by lazzyie:
could be wrong but I thing the brake booster is on that side...<hr></blockquote><p>Can you edit this picture to show where it is?<p>Thanks
Cage
<p>[ February 19, 2003: Message edited by: Cage ]</p>

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Cage:

That is not an eunos 800 (xedos 9). It is a japan Millina 25 (MS8) I do think that the millenia 25 has 190hp but only from 2000 to present. your evidence is thrown out. hehe sorry <p><hr></blockquote><p>Hmmm, thrown out, then you quote it FOUR times.lol<p>[ February 19, 2003: Message edited by: IanL ]</p>

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Cage:
[QB]<p>I have read your posts and your post states "you dynoed the car and it powererd out at 156.2 Horse power" Why can't you post your dyno again?<p> Was there another post maybe that said 183 H.P ???? Do you have a new mani now? are you still running the modified 1.8 ECU from corksport?
QB]<hr></blockquote><p>
<p>this is with a cork sport re-programmed ecu to ZE specs, stock exhaust and no ait filter, thats it, as I said it was crazy hot in there.<p>The proper conversion is to divide the numbers by 0.85 to get corected H.P.(this is equal to a 15% drive train loss.)