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Re: Evo_Spec's 1994 BP-T RS

Posted: April 7th, 2012, 5:49 am
by Evo_Spec
Tavman_1213 wrote:That's alot of stuff we got to do!! Should be fun!!
It is quite a bit of stuff but some of it won't need to be done at your place like the valve cover gasket is for later when i either paint or powercoat the valve cover and i hope to maybe have the ball joint and tie rod end already done before i go to your place to get help with the clutch.
the wheel bearing and wheel seals and needed when i need to pull out the steering knuckles and have the new bearings pressed in by a shop since i don't have a press, know any good shops?

Re: Evo_Spec's 1994 BP-T RS

Posted: April 18th, 2012, 9:16 pm
by Evo_Spec
so after almost a full year i have a real update.

I GOT MY NEW CLUTCH IN!!!

So i went to Tavis's place to get help for my clutch since i've never done one and was pretty nervous about doing it in the first place but tavis knew exactly what he was doing and ended up doing 99% of the work while i stood there not having a clue what i should do.... i really couldn't have done all this especially in the time that we did it in.
So a huge thanks to Tavis!

So along with my clutch, i was told in the past by an alignment shop in the past that i needed a new tie-rod, ball joint, and wheel bearing so i figured instead of just changing one of each of those pieces on whichever side, i would just replace them on both sides so i know the overall condition of my car. The alignment shop actually told me i needed an inner tie rod as well because it was, "dangerously loose" but both me and tavis agreed that the ones on my car were completely fine as either no absolutely no play in them. I really f---ing hate shop and is really glad tavis had a press so i didn't need to go to a shop to put in my wheel bearings, probably for some ridiculous price.

anyways, on with some pictures!

So not too long after we started we were having pretty big issues with an axle nut, but this was actually all my fault because i tightened it on with a massive 3-4" 3/4 drive ratchet i borrowed from my friend to do this job about a year ago, long and short of it we broke my 1/2" drive breaker bar so just pulled off the whole knuckle so we could just keep working towards the ultimate goal of doing the clutch and we later went and bought a 3/4" drive breaker bar and we got it off.
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Sub-frame out!
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Engine supported and ready for tranny drop!
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Tranny out! found out my rear main seal was leaking which was a big part of my issue with the slipping clutch, but the clutch was pretty bad so i'm still glad i changed it out. (picture of clutch further down)
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old throw out bearing & oil from the leaking seal
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old ACT pressure plate with oil all over it
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leaky rear main seal (can't really see anything in this pic)
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BE GONE OLD SEAL. we also wiped off a lot of the old oil and that's the little bit of new silicone you see on the sides
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THOU SHALL NOT LEAK
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While we were out and waiting for the flywheel to get refinished i got a new LH side axle since the old one was a little rough
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ohhhhhh, refinished flywheel =)
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Old disk on the left, new spec one on the right. You can see how close it was getting to the rivets
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New flywheel in and being bolted in
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So! i bought the SPEC stage 1 clutch off a very good member here but the pressure plate ended up being the wrong one! it's so very strange because the bearings and clutch disk are for sure the proper one's but no matter what angle we tried, we couldn't get the SPEC pressure plate on. (not the member's fault at all, i'm pretty sure the wrong pressure plate was packaged in the box)
So here we were with the engine bay ripped apart and the tranny dropped out and with the wrong clutch, BUT TAVIS SAVES THE DAY!!! he knows of a place who has an ACT clutch IN STOCK! so he gives them a call and we quickly drive out to go pick it up, luckily i have a bit of money saved up so i was able to afford it but now i'll have to get this spec clutch thing figured out and hopefully i can sell it and get money for that. (it was rush hour so it took us about 1-1.5 hours just to get there and back -_-)
i'm going to have to send SPEC an email to see if i can get the proper pressure plate off them.
old ACT PP beside the the wrong SPEC PP
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new ACT clutch in!
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So i didn't take pictures for a while here because well.....i forgot lol
but basically we popped in the new axle seals and then the tranny and i started filling it without the axles in so i spilled a lot of the new tranny fluid but luckily tavis kept the drain pan under and i had extra tranny fluid lol.

i now understand what dark_rider ment when he was saying it was a b---- to get out his old snap ring, it was basically rusted in. (well, Tavis does since he did most of the work XD)
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Part of the inside of the wheel bearing that stuck to the hub, that was also a b---- to get off
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didn't take pictures of the new bearing being pressed in but here we (tavis) are tapping in the hub so we can press that in too!
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Axle pressed in!
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So yeah, my phone died after taking the last picture cause i forgot to charge it the night before so between this point and the next picture is basically us getting stuck axle nut off, getting both ball joints and tie rods in, new slave cylinder and finishing up any else we needed to finish.

here the car is started up beside tavis's!
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So after about 15-16 hours of all driving around to pick up stuff that i forgot to and all the mishaps of all the seized bolts and rusted snap rings and stuck wheel bearings we were finally done, i drove it home and man it feels GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The steering is super nice tight with no slack at all, my old ones were pretty bad so it was a little sluggish but now they're fantastic.
I'm not gonna lie though i did do a hard pull with no shifts on the highway and it's f---ing great to be able to hit full boost without the f---ing clutch slipping, i really can't wait till i fully break in the clutch than i can drive the mx-3 the way i've wanted to for a LONG time.

one last thing, THANK YOU TAVIS!!!!!!!!!! YOUR THE MAN!!!!!!!!!

*edit* Tavis took this pic and i had to add it to my worklog too =)
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Re: Evo_Spec's 1994 BP-T RS

Posted: April 18th, 2012, 9:44 pm
by RobMinhas
Now you know how I feel! You almost always do all of the work when we do anything on my car hahah!

And it's nice to see that the cars all running now! Can't wait to get a ride in it when I'm back!

Re: Evo_Spec's 1994 BP-T RS

Posted: April 19th, 2012, 12:35 am
by Evo_Spec
RobMinhas wrote:Now you know how I feel! You almost always do all of the work when we do anything on my car hahah!

And it's nice to see that the cars all running now! Can't wait to get a ride in it when I'm back!
i still need to break in the clutch which probably won't happen for a little while since i don't know when i'll be doing the registration and stuff, probably next paycheck though

also yeah you can get a ride it in once it's broken in, but Tavis gets first dibs to drive it before anyone (except me of course)

Re: Evo_Spec's 1994 BP-T RS

Posted: April 19th, 2012, 4:13 pm
by Bumpysbro
good work dude, sorry about that clutch not working so weird how the dowel holes dont line up. hmm maybe the bp enging uses a different flywheel than the b6de?

Re: Evo_Spec's 1994 BP-T RS

Posted: April 19th, 2012, 6:25 pm
by Evo_Spec
Bumpysbro wrote:good work dude, sorry about that clutch not working so weird how the dowel holes dont line up. hmm maybe the bp enging uses a different flywheel than the b6de?
thanks! it was a lot of work for Tavis XD
it's not your fault man, i'll get SPEC to replace it, i'm asian, i'm sure i can per sway them in an email somehow XD
and technically yes, the BP flywheel is different than the B6 because all cars equipped with BP's had the G-series tranny where as i have an F-series tranny but i have the B6 flywheel to go with it, which is why the ACT clutch fit.
SPEC packaged the wrong PP for sure, FO SHO!

Re: Evo_Spec's 1994 BP-T RS

Posted: April 20th, 2012, 2:30 am
by Evo_Spec
Tavis is the mo fuggin man, he figured out my what the SPEC clutch is for!!!
It completely explains why the friction plate/bearings are the same (or really damn near the same).

It's exactly what the seller told me it was for, a 94+ DOHC MX-3/90-01 1.8L SOHC protege

So what was the problem?
Well the problem is because of one thing i didn't know and would have never ever guessed.
The flywheel on the 94+ mx-3's are different than the flywheels on the 92-93 mx-3's!!!!!!
I thought the 94+ mx-3's used the same flywheels as the 92-93 mx-3's (or 90-94 323, which is the flywheel i have) and i would have never guessed this because they're both same F-series tranny's!! argh!!! (well besides the electric vs mechanical speedo)

So the reason i messed this all up is because when the seller gave me the part number SZ401 i went to search it up on the SPEC website and because i thought the 94 mx-3 had the same flywheel as the 92-93 mx-3 i searched for a clutch for the 94 because well my mx-3 is a 94, but obviously i was actually supposed to search for a 92-93 mx-3 or a 90-94 323!!!!

So for anyone reading this, DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE I MADE, THE FLYWHEEL'S ARE DIFFERENT!!!


(anyone looking for a stage 1 SPEC clutch for they're 94+ mx-3 or 90-01 1.8L SOHC protege? :lol: )

Re: Evo_Spec's 1994 BP-T RS

Posted: April 20th, 2012, 3:22 am
by MrMazda92
I just noticed the issue you had with your wheel bearing coming apart, that can be a royal PITA!!! My right rear did that recently, and I had to grind notches into it to remove it with a claw puller. -.- Definitely frustrating.

Re: Evo_Spec's 1994 BP-T RS

Posted: April 21st, 2012, 1:02 am
by Tavman_1213
THANK YOU TAVIS!!!!!!!!!! YOUR THE MAN!!!!!!!!!
gess don't go promoting it around!! hahaha jk
Just glad to see everything worked out an we got it running

Re: Evo_Spec's 1994 BP-T RS

Posted: April 21st, 2012, 5:20 am
by kulluminati777
im betting the difference in flywheels would be on the V6's as well... :?: :?:

BTW sweet whip

Re: Evo_Spec's 1994 BP-T RS

Posted: April 21st, 2012, 6:21 am
by WhiteFinish
Well done guys !!

Did you also have a bearing on the axle side of the hub ?
I've seen in it some cars, but not all.

Re: Evo_Spec's 1994 BP-T RS

Posted: April 21st, 2012, 2:26 pm
by Evo_Spec
kulluminati777 wrote:im betting the difference in flywheels would be on the V6's as well... :?: :?:
Yeah for sure there would be a difference but if your suggesting the clutch is for the V6, we thought about it but than quickly realized that it can't be because i believe the V6 G-series tranny has a 22 splines input shaft so that wouldn't fit the 20 splined friction plate

WhiteFinish wrote:Well done guys !!

Did you also have a bearing on the axle side of the hub ?
I've seen in it some cars, but not all.
Thanks man!
yeah we did have the rest of the bearing in the knuckle after we punched out the hub but after taking out the rusted snap ring the bearing pressed out really easy with the press

Re: Evo_Spec's 1994 BP-T RS

Posted: April 21st, 2012, 4:00 pm
by wagZE
What ACT are you running & how do you like it in stop & go? I had experience with a stage 3 on my old ze & it grabbed so hard, but in stop & go it made me hate life!

Re: Evo_Spec's 1994 BP-T RS

Posted: April 21st, 2012, 4:18 pm
by Evo_Spec
wagZE wrote:What ACT are you running & how do you like it in stop & go? I had experience with a stage 3 on my old ze & it grabbed so hard, but in stop & go it made me hate life!
i'm not actually sure because it didn't say on the box or anything and they now have a new line of clutches out that use a different part number on their site, all it says is heavy duty clutch.
if i were to guess, it's a stage 1 clutch since the friction plate is an organic material.
I have no real idea how it is yet because i have yet to actually drive it since the car isn't registered or insured for driving.

I'll be sure to update my worklog with how it is after i register and insure the car and break in the clutch.

Re: Evo_Spec's 1994 BP-T RS

Posted: April 21st, 2012, 4:30 pm
by kulluminati777
Evo_Spec wrote:
kulluminati777 wrote:im betting the difference in flywheels would be on the V6's as well... :?: :?:
Yeah for sure there would be a difference but if your suggesting the clutch is for the V6, we thought about it but than quickly realized that it can't be because i believe the V6 G-series tranny has a 22 splines input shaft so that wouldn't fit the 20 splined friction plate

oh no i was just wondering if there would be a difference between a K8 DE or ZE when it came to flywheels