RX8SE3P wrote:I could easily start personally attacking like you're starting to, but I prefer to be civilized. No need to be a bunch of keyboard warriors here.
I'm not attacking you personally. If you felt my words were in some way intended as that, I apologize.
I was just stating, once again, my (by now, I should think well known) despise for that kind of misinformation you posted, unfortunately not for the first time.
Mechanics statements belong to mechanics' engineers, not to personal trainers, nor reporters. It's that simple.
BTW: NOBODY (except you, that is) ever said the engine should be warmed up for "extended periods". The engine should be warmed up until
IT REACHES IT'S NORMAL OPERATING TEMPERATURE regardless of how long it takes. And, just FYI, an engine doesn't reach its N.O.T. when the coolant does. The engine reaches its N.O.T. when the EGT gets within operaing range. That is A LOT FASTER than it takes the coolant to warm up.
But then again, you may ask: "And how would I know when the EGT get's within the operating range, if I don't have an EGT meter in my car?"
Simple answer? Look at your tach. When the idle speed goes down from the 1200/1300 RPM range (the warmup range) to the normal 800/900 RPM range, you can drive. Simple, isn't it? Or, if you wanna do things right, you can GET and EGT meter. No meter is ever more helpful for tweaking an engine.
RX8SE3P wrote: Prove me wrong.
Let me see if I can say this one more time (and they say I'm not a patiente man
), in the hope that this time you may get it:
I DO NOT NEED TO PROVE YOU WRONG. YOU stated that the proper warmup procedure used, supported and PROVEN by engineers all around the World for over a CENTURY is wrong. Therefore,
IT IS YOU WHO HAS TO PROVE THEM WRONG, not me who has to prove you anything. Sorry, the burden of proof lies with
YOU.
That said, I consider my goals on this thread fully accomplished:
1. I tried to help mx3_ryder with his issue. Turned out I wasn't that much help after all. However, he was able to figure out his problem on his own. Done.
2. Once you posted your misleading "information", I wanted to make sure no rookie that stumbled upon this thread followed that advise without looking for a reliable source, one way or another. Never feared mx3_ryder would follow such advise, because, having read plenty of his posts over time, I'm aware he knows way better. Done.
3. Gave you plenty of oppoirtunities to prove your point appropriately, which you carefully avoided, and tried to shift that responsibility on me. Done.
So, as far as I'm concerned, I'm done with this thread. I'm not gonna get into an endless discussion on something that's been proven over and over. I just don't have the energy for that anymore. If you want to start driving your car from the moment you turn the key, the more power to you. If somebody else, who's seen this thread, decides to do the same, they can't say they haven't been warned.
You have a great day.