OUTLAW SPACERS

Teal_93 · Post by **Teal_93** » March 29th, 2005, 11:55 am

Hoodzy, I believe the goup buy is done by midnight April 5th.

$95 shipped

after group buy, they are $105 + shipping, so I would recommend buying them now or else pay more later.....

Hoodzy · Post by **Hoodzy** » March 29th, 2005, 2:28 pm

know what shipping would be??

DavidOS · Post by **DavidOS** » March 29th, 2005, 3:48 pm

shipping to alberta alot extra considering its all us funds, so spend your 95 bucks total now... no other costs that everything included for your precidia later.

Teal_93 · Post by **Teal_93** » March 29th, 2005, 4:13 pm

Regular price is $105 + $6 shipping to US. & Canada

$111 Total regular price

$95 shipped sale price

That is a $16 savings!!!!!!

Gro Harlem · Post by **Gro Harlem** » March 29th, 2005, 4:59 pm

Sorry, I think these spacers suck.

I had them on for awhile and had some problems.

Not only did one of the bolts break in the cylinder head (the ones they supplied with teh kit), the spacers spaced the manifold up too high and the manifold basically DESTROYED the top sound-deadening lining on the underside of the hood.

They also made zero difference in power or heat. I could drive my car on the highway and pull into a gas station, turn the car off and the manifold would be hotter than hell. Yes I had the t/b and mani spacers on...no difference.

If anything they hurt performance, throwing your powerband curve off by a couple of hundred RPM which the ECU isn't programmed for. I would NOT recommend buying these.

I currently have my set sitting on my shelf awaiting a new owner on ProbeTalk. I won't be putting them back on evAr.

Hoodzy · Post by **Hoodzy** » March 29th, 2005, 7:00 pm

well with that said i think it would probably be best just for me to wait
cuz i have bad luck and i may not even get a precidia or have enough money for those, so 16 bucks aint that much its worth seeing how u guys all like them!!:)

scmorgan · Post by **scmorgan** » March 30th, 2005, 12:26 pm

Gro Herlem,

We are sorry that you were not satisfied with our product. We have had literally thousands of very happy customers over the years with virtually no complaints.

We would be interested in seeing the broken bolt, M8 fasteners are very robust and unless there was a defect in the bolt, there should be no fastener problems.

We have never heard of any previous difficulty with the sound insulation either. Don't strut bars sit even higher than the manifold?

We're not sure what you mean regarding your ECU comment. The ECU doesn't record anything having to do with torque and doesn't react negatively in any way.

The temp and performance differences are documented, however. We have instrumented tests results as well as many customer observations that backup the theory behind manifold insulators.

Remember, manifold insulators are nothing new. Performance enthusiasts have been using manifold insulator type products for decades. These products are offered for other applications through such respected companies as Ford Motorsports, Edelbrock, Spoon Sports, Hondata, etc. and are experiencing a large increase in acceptance in the import community.

ovendenk · Post by **ovendenk** » March 30th, 2005, 1:56 pm

hey,

i'm really debating about getting into this gb for the spacers. i've got the k8 right now and will get the ze later this year. few quick questions. 1. what is the difference between the k8 kit and the ze kits? is there any way to swap the k8 kit onto a ze later on? 2. since the performance is documented, what type of gains are we looking at with these? thanks in advance.

hgallegos915 · Post by **hgallegos915** » March 30th, 2005, 1:58 pm

I heard these are re usable, lets say u do a klde swap, you can swap em out...not a bad idea. I might try this product in the following month. I understand its the k8...but ive heard good things so far.. i was negative but well my friend is getting some.. .. i want some too

babyblueMX3 · Post by **babyblueMX3** » March 30th, 2005, 2:38 pm

ovendenk wrote:hey,

i'm really debating about getting into this gb for the spacers. i've got the k8 right now and will get the ze later this year. few quick questions. 1. what is the difference between the k8 kit and the ze kits? is there any way to swap the k8 kit onto a ze later on? 2. since the performance is documented, what type of gains are we looking at with these? thanks in advance.

K8 spacers won't fit on a kl since the ports are bigger on the ze..well it can fit if you bore the spacers out...not sure about the tb spacer..
btw these spacers doesn't GIVE power but prevent from loosing it from the heat

jschrauwen · Post by **jschrauwen** » March 30th, 2005, 2:54 pm

Gro buddy, I think this time I'm hoping that your wrong on the call, no insult intended. You know I value your constructive inputs and knowledgable expertise, but on this one I'm hoping that the kit will be of benefit. Besides, I've already paid for it. Hate to eat crow a second time after getting burned on a KL31 ECU.

ovendenk · Post by **ovendenk** » March 30th, 2005, 2:54 pm

thanks babyblue. i was just wondering because their site says that the k8 kit will fit on the klde. i was just looking at the pics on the site and now can see the diff in port shape on the ze.

btw, ya i guess i should have said 'how well do they reduce heat loss in terms of difference of hp', but 'what type of gains' is easier and i'm lazy

Gro Harlem · Post by **Gro Harlem** » March 30th, 2005, 3:00 pm

yes, i would love to see a dyno sheet that you recorded of a Probe, MX3 or MX6 that isn't made in Microsoft Excel or some other generic software program. The ones on your site aren't real dyno sheets & I've yet to see any ProbeTalk guys show dyno sheets with 8hp and 12 torque gains using your product.

I've read negative comments on PT as well, more like mixed reviews overall.

The bolt that broke was one of those brass-colored intake manifold ones. I was not putting a lot of torque on it either, I was trying to remove it and the head snapped off.

And it is common knowledge that lengthening or shortening the manifold runners will shift the powerband curves.

As for the manifold rubbing...the KLZE manifold barely clears the hood to begin with, but with these spacers the problem increases. The stock K8 manifold sits way lower and would clear fine w/these spacers, but not a Eunos 800 manifold

And FYI: on your site you list the curved-neck style as "MS8"....the MS8 is the straight-neck manifold. The curved neck manifold came on the Eunos 800 (aka jdm/edm millenia).

HEre is a pic of an MS8:

straight neck manifold

jschrauwen · Post by **jschrauwen** » March 30th, 2005, 3:18 pm

Gro Harlem wrote:And FYI: on your site you list the curved-neck style as "MS8"....the MS8 is the straight-neck manifold. The curved neck manifold came on the Eunos 800 (aka jdm/edm millenia).

Oh Sh*t. That's the set I ordered because that's what was recommended. I hope Mr Morgan gets his sh*t together and straightens those confusing issues in the ordering menu. I posted a thread specifically addressing that particular issue. I'll hope that they read the notes addendum in the ordering form where I indicated ZE+Millennia IM+KL68 TB so as to correctly send the right set.

babyblueMX3 · Post by **babyblueMX3** » March 30th, 2005, 3:52 pm

Gro Harlem wrote:yes, i would love to see a dyno sheet that you recorded of a Probe, MX3 or MX6 that isn't made in Microsoft Excel or some other generic software program. The ones on your site aren't real dyno sheets & I've yet to see any ProbeTalk guys show dyno sheets with 8hp and 12 torque gains using your product.

I've read negative comments on PT as well, more like mixed reviews overall.

The bolt that broke was one of those brass-colored intake manifold ones. I was not putting a lot of torque on it either, I was trying to remove it and the head snapped off.

And it is common knowledge that lengthening or shortening the manifold runners will shift the powerband curves.

As for the manifold rubbing...the KLZE manifold barely clears the hood to begin with, but with these spacers the problem increases. The stock K8 manifold sits way lower and would clear fine w/these spacers, but not a Eunos 800 manifold

And FYI: on your site you list the curved-neck style as "MS8"....the MS8 is the straight-neck manifold. The curved neck manifold came on the Eunos 800 (aka jdm/edm millenia).

HEre is a pic of an MS8:

straight neck manifold

this is not an ms8 Gro..Ms8 has a curve neck manifold just like a millenia.confirmed by some guys overseas