<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by VizualXTC: <p>Because we don't know a whole lot about suspension. Everytime we ask a question we get smartass replies. If someone would explain WHY they won't, maybe it would be easier to understand. <hr></blockquote><p>http://www.mx-3.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=20&t=000457<p>Nobody ASKED a question Ryan...they stated something as fact with NO evidence, that was simply wrong. "Someone" WOULD explain things if "Someone" was asked these questions. Its when people blatently spout something off as fact that it needs to be corrected.
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I am curious about these too- spring rate has to do with the force at which a spring rebounds after being compressed. The strut is designed to slow down or dampen the spring's rebound so the suspension doesn't have a pogo stick effect. The problem with those el-cheapo coilovers is that they have an extremely high spring rate which the stock struts are not designed to control, therefor extra stress is placed on the struts which will eventually cause them to fail, right?
'94 Blaze Red RS<P>I may not have a lot of horsepower but I know how to use it!
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by azmtbkr81: Correct me if I'm wrong, because I am curious about these too- spring rate has to do with the force at which a spring rebounds after being compressed. The strut is designed to slow down or dampen the spring's rebound so the suspension doesn't have a pogo stick effect. The problem with those el-cheapo coilovers is that they have an extremely high spring rate which the stock struts are not designed to control, therefor extra stress is placed on the struts which will eventually cause them to fail, right?<hr></blockquote><p>Basically Correct....couple notes.<p>spring rate also controls how hard it is to compress the spring.<p>
even before the stock pieces blow out, they will not be able to control the springs properly. You will get a bouncy ride, simply because they arent strong enough to conrol the higher spring rates. Most people are not "in-tune" enough with their cars to really tell the difference until they really blow. Of course, when they do go ahead and get good aftermarket struts, then the difference is VERY noticeable.
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by ProtegeSTS: <p>http://www.mx-3.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=20&t=000457<p>Nobody ASKED a question Ryan...they stated something as fact with NO evidence, that was simply wrong. "Someone" WOULD explain things if "Someone" was asked these questions. Its when people blatently spout something off as fact that it needs to be corrected.<hr></blockquote><p>Actually I believe Rasp's post was 100% correct. He said you CAN use them with the stock struts. He NEVER said anything about it handling the spring rates correctly, he never said ANYTHING but that it is POSSIBLE to USE them, but they WON'T last too long. Hmm. if it won't handle the spring rate correctly, then I can't see it lasing too long. Sounds like he was correct.<p>And my previous comment was somewhat in general. If we don't know the answer we get a smartass reply. I'd like to thank azmtbkr81 for giving us the correct information and I'd also like to thank you for adding to his post in a civil and mature manner.
~Ryan~
1994 MX-3 GS Teal
Stock V6 with insane potential
1987 Toyota Pickup
SR5 Xtracab Turbo
--The slow wait until the green light, while the FAST already left when the red went out--
--Sex should be like driving a Honda....slow, obscene, and loud enough for the neighbors to hear--
I would be careful about buying those coilovers, they don't post any info about them or give a link to the manufacturer's website. This topic has come up before and I think they are the same set of coilovers that are sold at a number of different places. They just seem kinda shady and I've learned the hard way that it is not worth it to buy cheap parts for your car. Who knows if they were even tested on an actual MX-3? Some bonehead somewhere might have said "oh these would probably fit an MX-3 so lets put 'em on the market!" If I had those on my car I would start to get scared every time I got up around 80mph or did any hard cornering. Stock parts for the most part are extensively tested as well as products from companies with a solid reputaion like Ground Control. If I were you guys I'd save up and extra $300 and get the Ground Controls. There is a speed shop in Phoenix that sells only Ground Controls because of liability reasons. Thats just my opinion, you guys can do whatever you want but at the very least I'd do some research on suspension and then grill the place that is selling them about all the technical specs.
'94 Blaze Red RS<P>I may not have a lot of horsepower but I know how to use it!
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by VizualXTC:
And my previous comment was somewhat in general. If we don't know the answer we get a smartass reply.<hr></blockquote><p>No....if you dont know the answer,thats fine.<p>When you ACT as if you knew the answer, and you are giving INNCORRECT information, THEN you get a smartass reply.<p>If you dont know the answer, at least say, "I THINK......", instead of blasting off as fact some BS that your friend's friend told you while at a party where you were both drinking or whatever.
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by ProtegeSTS: If you dont know the answer, at least say, "I THINK......", instead of blasting off as fact some BS that your friend's friend told you while at a party where you were both drinking or whatever.<hr></blockquote><p>Where in Rasp's "you can but they won't last too long" post was he incorrect?
~Ryan~
1994 MX-3 GS Teal
Stock V6 with insane potential
1987 Toyota Pickup
SR5 Xtracab Turbo
--The slow wait until the green light, while the FAST already left when the red went out--
--Sex should be like driving a Honda....slow, obscene, and loud enough for the neighbors to hear--
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by VizualXTC: <p>Where in Rasp's "you can but they won't last too long" post was he incorrect?<hr></blockquote><p>
"they wont last too long"<p>Simply because it DOESNT MATTER. Its not like they'll be fine for a while, and then start to suck. They will ALWAYS suck.<p>Its like saying that a stock K8 or B6 "can" be turbocharged without actually running any pipes. Sure its still going to run, but its not going to benefit you at all. <p>(note, 4am posts do not lend themselves to good analogies)
I just wanted to share some info. I looked at the pics of these springs and they are pretty much an exact match for the coilovers I bought. I bought mine for a 90-96 escort, and there made by dropzone, or AIM sells them and dropzone uses them. HTe spring rates will be 450 up front and 350 in hte rear. The front spring is 6.5 inches and the rear is 7 inch even. Im also going with the zx2 coilovers. Ive got all the parts just alot of stuff going on right now, havent had time to install them yet. the spring rates will be fine unless you plan on running solo races or rallying. I know some of you guys have waited for my opinion on the install, and im tryin to get it done asap..<p>-Ryan
92 red rs
performance exhaust
zx2 struts and Eibach springs
turboed + stand alone when the cash is there
just to give you more of an idea of what your getting. I personally also havent installed them cuase one, its winter, and I odnt want them to get ruined cause im moving to austin in june. Second I might get a s2000 when I move hehe.
92 red rs
performance exhaust
zx2 struts and Eibach springs
turboed + stand alone when the cash is there
Nice Slippers :p <p>But seriously..thanks for the info. looking at the pictures the shocks do look similar, except for the fact that the cheap ones have a complete tube inside the shock...im trying to contact the company the see what the deal with these are...spring rates, etc.<p>[ January 20, 2003: Message edited by: newfmx3 ]</p>
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ryencool: I just wanted to share some info. I looked at the pics of these springs and they are pretty much an exact match for the coilovers I bought. I bought mine for a 90-96 escort, and there made by dropzone, or AIM sells them and dropzone uses them. HTe spring rates will be 450 up front and 350 in hte rear. The front spring is 6.5 inches and the rear is 7 inch even. Im also going with the zx2 coilovers. Ive got all the parts just alot of stuff going on right now, havent had time to install them yet. the spring rates will be fine unless you plan on running solo races or rallying. I know some of you guys have waited for my opinion on the install, and im tryin to get it done asap..<p>-Ryan<hr></blockquote><p>
Well, the rates are REALLY stiff. The ride wont be good as far it'll just be really stiff. The autocross RACERS dont even use rates that high.
i like being stiff, maybe its just me and my youthful thinking...couldnt resist..Well once I can afford to get decent springs and find a reason to use them then I will. Right now the car takes me to work and school, and I want it to be lowered, and the shocks and springs are blown. So find a better choice for under 400$ for the whole setup( coilovers and struts and install ) and ill take it...
92 red rs
performance exhaust
zx2 struts and Eibach springs
turboed + stand alone when the cash is there
The install . . . not hard at all. The ride . . . wicked. However, I'm using KYB GR2 struts. I'm told that I have less than a year before they blow. Can someone tell me what struts will handle the spring rates. Would Mazdaspeed adjustables do the trick? <p><p>one
<hr></blockquote><p>http://www.mx-3.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=20&t=000457<p>Nobody ASKED a question Ryan...they stated something as fact with NO evidence, that was simply wrong. "Someone" WOULD explain things if "Someone" was asked these questions. Its when people blatently spout something off as fact that it needs to be corrected.
<p>one