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[mitmaks]

i never liked bush, he sucks all he does is blah blah blah in front of other blah blah blah dudes, politicians suck *** , i guess gore would be better choice but since bush cheated on votes hes ruling now, takes on too much, economy sucks esp in my area, no jobs, expensive gas, angry people, i say lets nuke f arabs with husain and ladein and take over gas yaaaa rock on guys..

[The_Great_Tonge]

Personally the way USA is run is disgusting. I mean we stick our foot in every other nation and get into loads of **** over something we had no bussiness about. I mean what the hell are we doing giving our $ away when our homeless and jobless rates are going up!! Its one thing to help others and yourself, but what we do is help other and help others and help others!!! Taking care of your own is always 1st on my list....

[powerman_5000]

"I don't know how world war 3 will be fought, but what I do know is that world war 4 will be fought will sitcks and stones."
-Albert Einstein<p>Kinda scary, huh?

[Custommx3]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by maldo:
Bush is the biggest joke around. He condems North Korea for its Nuke program and Iraq for supposedly having weapons of mass destruction. "Supposedly" no countries are to have these weapons yet he has them and wants to use them? Very Ironic. I feel bad for you Americans that will be impacted due to his mistakes. I don't support another war just because his daddy couldn't get the job done in the first place. I am glad that Canada, France and Germany are waiting for definite proof, honestly I don't see the rush to go kill people. Every Country needs a stupid politician, ours signed an agreement with Bush saying that if there are terrorist attacks again that US troops have free access to Canada!? <hr></blockquote><p>We have satallite photos of the weapons Iraq has, but because they are top secret, we cant exactly show them to the public. We have found weapons there, we know he has them. He was told atleats 10 years ago to get rid of his weapons, which he has failed to comply. After the terrorism that has torn this country apart, I think he is great to stand up and get things done. You should down him because he has the balls to set everything right. We lost 6000 people in 1 day because of people like Hussein.
I dont think we should sit on our *** and let it happen again. knowing this guy has the ability to put anthrax or smallpox in a public place and affect millions of people, and you think we should sit back and watch it happen?

[Custommx3]

People say Americans are bullies, we are always in the middle of everything, and we should leave the world alone. Think about it. If America didnt stand up to everyone else, who would? noone. I think America does the right thing in creating world peace. America helped form the united Nations, which has helped billions of people. Yes we have a rise in unemployment and homeless here, ever think what effected that? Or what else effects that? Its the WORLDS economy that is gone to sh!t. If America has a fear that one day 9-11 may happen again, that fear will drive the worlds economy down. America wasnt the only one effected by 9-11, it was the WORLDS trade center. Just a last note, Its not just Bush doing all of this, its most of europe too.<p>[ February 10, 2003: Message edited by: Custommx3 ]</p>

[992mmx3]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by maldo:
<p>Not going to start a heated debate but there is plenty wrong with it. The US has no right moving its troops into Canada, just like there is no real reason for them to be stationed in Japan, Korea, or any other country for that matter. Considering how trigger happy your President is, and how he likes to mess in other countries business, I am surprised there hasn't been more threats/acts of terrorism against the US. It's a shame that he has to use war as compensation for his short comings in life, especially since he just puts innocent American civilians in jeopardy.<hr></blockquote><p>No reason to be stationed in Korea or Japan? Do you not know of what is happening in North Korea? Also have you not heard of the Korean war? North Korea has one of the most corrupt and evil leaders in position right now. Thousans of children are being tested in his "science labs" testing out new drugs that can be used as acts of terror and war, have you not seen pictures of the kids in these camps and prisons, have you ever seen schindlers list and how skinny the jews were in the concetration camps, or the movie band of brothers? Just take the overall sickening look of the jews and place it on Korean kids. Then nation is starving with thousands dieing of starvation, does the leader care? NO! He needs nukes and more weapons. As far as us being in Japan, its part of a treaty duuude. You know what Pearl Harbor is??? Oh, wait, yeah, you probably saw the movie but fell asleep half way into it cause the romantic part of the story was boring, and history frankly bores you. We took Japan and helped them build a democracy and a country that is now thriving. Look at the car industry for examples. We need to get rid of Saddam, personally i don't need anymore evidence for this man to be taken out of power, he attacked kuwait in the early nineties and thats enough for me, have you seen pictures of the damage he had done there, well i have, one of my dads friends was a photographer and has many disgusting images of what really happened. as far as getting rid of nukes, why the hell would we get rid of them before these other evil countries get rid of them??? Its our technology anyways, and we should be the last to have them until all are done away with. And as far as you saying you're not surprised at more attacks against us? What are you saying, we deserved 9/11??? How about you come over here and tell what you just said to my dads face who is the toughest guy i know that was in tears on 9/11 when he saw names of some of his friends on the screen flash by because they were on some of the flights, you wouldn't get through the sentence before you'd be decked on the floor, and thats all before my dad got to you. well, maybe you should ask yourself, what YOU personally have done for this world. Have you ever been to korea, been to the borders there? I have and know what its like, I know what its like to be in a 3rd world country and have seen how America helping people has benefited others, People are so selfish and thats why they don't want to help others. We need to do for Iraq like what we did for Japan, and Afghanistan now, help them be an honest country, they've got great resources to work with. My whole point being?? If Canada were like how it is now in the 1940's, and people relied on them like they did on the U.S., lets just say that the world would still be saying HI HITLER.<p>[ February 10, 2003: Message edited by: 992mmx3 ]<p>[ February 10, 2003: Message edited by: 992mmx3 ]</p>

[Custommx3]

Some of that was a lil harsh, but I can see where hes comming from..<p>as far as America helping others. If we help the worlds economy, ours will thrive, if the world is at a downfall, you see where America is heading unless we do something about it.

[The_Great_Tonge]

But barry check this out. The european un-employment rate is at like 12% which is pretty bad. Do you know what america rate is? It is 5.9%!! for a country that plays big brother to everyone else our own people are hurting. Yes it has to due will recent terror events. But I mean we really do need to get everything in order here 1st before we go out and tell other countires what to do. Its like a drunk mother telling her son not to drink, it really doesnt do us any good to stick our neck in others bussiness when things here are in the maner as they are in. Also i dont think there would be so many problems around th world if the US did things right from the get go. Im not sure if you have seen the land lines set up by the UN in 1959 i think for iseral? who ever did that must have been drnuk/high/stupid!! of course the people are going to be at war with each other, the way it was set-up it was impossible for it not to happen...but what do i know right

[992mmx3]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by The_Great_Tonge:
But barry check this out. The european un-employment rate is at like 12% which is pretty bad. Do you know what america rate is? It is 5.9%!! for a country that plays big brother to everyone else our own people are hurting. Yes it has to due will recent terror events. But I mean we really do need to get everything in order here 1st before we go out and tell other countires what to do. Its like a drunk mother telling her son not to drink, it really doesnt do us any good to stick our neck in others bussiness when things here are in the maner as they are in. Also i dont think there would be so many problems around th world if the US did things right from the get go. Im not sure if you have seen the land lines set up by the UN in 1959 i think for iseral? who ever did that must have been drnuk/high/stupid!! of course the people are going to be at war with each other, the way it was set-up it was impossible for it not to happen...but what do i know right <hr></blockquote><p>Agreed on your U.N. land lines comments, some of them are kinda messed up. But as far as the unemplyoment issue goes, I'd agree any other time, but the reason alot of that is happening is cause other countries affects on us, we need to suck it in now so we can benefit later from it.

[Custommx3]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by The_Great_Tonge:
But barry check this out. The european un-employment rate is at like 12% which is pretty bad. Do you know what america rate is? It is 5.9%!! for a country that plays big brother to everyone else our own people are hurting. Yes it has to due will recent terror events. But I mean we really do need to get everything in order here 1st before we go out and tell other countires what to do. Its like a drunk mother telling her son not to drink, it really doesnt do us any good to stick our neck in others bussiness when things here are in the maner as they are in. Also i dont think there would be so many problems around th world if the US did things right from the get go. Im not sure if you have seen the land lines set up by the UN in 1959 i think for iseral? who ever did that must have been drnuk/high/stupid!! of course the people are going to be at war with each other, the way it was set-up it was impossible for it not to happen...but what do i know right

[The_Great_Tonge]

Well maybe its just me, but if my house was on fire and so was the person acorss the streets. I would help myself first then help others. Because when all is said and done and the day is over, where are you go? I have no problems helping others but i do have a problem when i live in a country that would bicth and moan about everything, but do nothing about it. We give away millions of dollars every year to help other countires, to "better" them and help them out. But when was the last time they came to our aid. The world wide opion of the US is in the crapper, everyone feels that the US plays big brother and doesn't know when to but out. Yes it is true but the US is needed to play big brother sometimes to keep the peace. The world needs to know what its like not having the US to lean on when they are in a pinch.

[Custommx3]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by The_Great_Tonge:
Well maybe its just me, but if my house was on fire and so was the person acorss the streets. I would help myself first then help others. Because when all is said and done and the day is over, where are you go? I have no problems helping others but i do have a problem when i live in a country that would bicth and moan about everything, but do nothing about it. We give away millions of dollars every year to help other countires, to "better" them and help them out. But when was the last time they came to our aid. The world wide opion of the US is in the crapper, everyone feels that the US plays big brother and doesn't know when to but out. Yes it is true but the US is needed to play big brother sometimes to keep the peace. The world needs to know what its like not having the US to lean on when they are in a pinch.<hr></blockquote><p>your house being on fire is one thing, but helping keep world peace is another. THink of it as installng a sprinkler alarm incase their house burns. We do help our economy and our world more than we help others. We have lots of programs, and ythe president is always making changes for the better. If we @ 5.9% Unemployment rate, then we are doing pretty well. <p>http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

[The_Great_Tonge]

This is true...but the same president is also willing to lower emission standards for bussiness so it will be cheaper for companies to build plants. Same president that out tarfits on steel from outside the US to stimulate the economy, while steel workers are getting 80k a year and dont produce such quality steel that is made outside the us. the SAME president that would elminate taxes of dividents, so the rich will get MORE money. i mean there are sooo many ways too look at it, and ive become more informed because of my economics class. did you know that they are gonna raise tution in FL like 8%, thats friggin insane!

[azmtbkr81]

I know what you are saying about us trying to help out other countries, but the countries we help repay us by buying tons of American products. We can spend millions to repair and stimulate their economies but they will spend billions buying airplanes, clothing, cars, food, lumber, computers, the list goes on and on. Look at the list of countries we have rebuit, protected and subsidised: Germany, Japan, South Korea-these countries are some of the richest in the world, and are our most important trading partners. Of course we have had our failings, but for the most part we have a good track record of setting up democracies and turning them into successful, prosperous countires. Should this be motivation to invade a country? Probably not, but when an evil dictator is killing his own people and threatening the world with weapons of mass destruction it is time for us to act. <p>I think also that our extremely liberal media goes out of its way to over emphaisze other countries' hatred for America and Bush. One of my good friend's parents are teachers at an American school in Lebanon and on almost a daily basis, there are Lebanese people who come up to them out of the blue and apologize for Sept. 11 and for Sadam and Iraq. They feel that Al Quaida and Sadam are giving arabs and muslims a bad name and are a great embarassment. They would like nothing more than to see them eliminated. Furthermore, I find it strange that the media never goes to Afganistan and talks with the people who live there about what they think of Americans. From talking to soldiers who have come back from Afganistan, Americans are viewed as heroes and saviors.<p>What disgusts me the most is France and Germany's unwillingness to support us in these issues. We have saved France twice from aggression in the past century and still they refuse to help us or anyone else-there is great example of a selfish country. They are still fighing wars in Africa over old colonies, and we don't call them evil or compare their president to Hitler yet they don't want us to defend ourselves against a madman who has no respect for human life. I find that strange and hypocritical, and I could care less if they like us or not.