Acura VS. Mazda

[mrspanky79]

motor has nothing to do with top speed its all gearing and since you use the same trany with the k8 as klze the top speed is the same. The klze will get there faster but they will top out at the same speed

[MX3-Freak]

motor has nothing to do with top speed its all gearing and since you use the same trany with the k8 as klze the top speed is the same. The klze will get there faster but they will top out at the same speed

Actually, the red line of the motor is one of the varibles in the top speed formula...

[mrspanky79]

and what are most cars red line set at. On average they are set around the same area and in the k motor they are all set in the same place.

[DavidOS]

of course you can have any engine blue printed and rebalanced and have it rev upto 8000 safely.... but hey... thats only if u wanna spend some cash

[Nallboy]

I just wanted to add that right after I got my GS, totally stock, I got it up to 135mph on an INCLINE, and still had 2K RPM left. The car was still accelerating too. I just stopped cause I decided I wanted to keep my car around for a while longer.

[MX3-Freak]

Hmmmm, then there are two possibilities: 1. your speedometer is way off or 2. You gave your numbers a little "kick in the a**".

Reason?
Top Speed (km/h:
RS:MT: 180, AT: 170
GS:MT: 199, AT: 181

assuming you have the MT, Miles = KM*.62
199*.62 = 123.38mph

This top speed is found by math using tire size, red line, and (I believe the third thing is) gear ratio. So going 135 with 2k left on a stock engine was impossible.

Now, of course I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just say your speedo is off. Why would some1 lie about their stock numbers?

<small>[ June 06, 2004, 10:16 AM: Message edited by: MX3-Freak ]</small>

[Rx7man]

don't forget about tire size in the equation... of course that wouldn't show up on the speedo, nor would rear end (front end) gear ratio, but it does influence it, when I went from a 195/60R13 tire to a 225/60R14 tire my odometer distance was 10% less than actual, which also means my top speed (though the speedo would read the same) woudl increase by 10%... I had to keep that in mind when cruising since a radar gun would nail me.

my car.. modifies first gen Rx7 top speed is about 220-230 KPH at 7000 RPM, which I have hit (only once), I regularly hit 8000 rpm, though I'm not sure if I'd want to give it a top speed pull at that RPM... at 8000 RPM I'd be close to 250 KPH, and if you figure if Iwas running the bigger tire, I'd be at 275 kph.. andI dont' think I have the guts to do that until it's anincho off the ground with an awesome body kit :p

[Steeb]

u lost to the integra rs because its the lightest non vtec integra. the nonvtecs were not bad cars. with a good driver they could hit mid 15's. i was at palmdale track an a 96 civic dx stripped with no mods , not even intake or drop in filter was running 15.5-15.8's every run.

Originally posted by mitmaks:
what are you talking about, ill smoke most acuras with my k8, except higher end, but drop ze in and ill rape those typeR's etc. for fraction of what they paid for theirs. just wondering how fast did your buddy go (top speed?) mph [/QB]

with a ze swap you wont be "raping" any r's until u learn to drive. they might be torqueless but they are not slow. my friend with a pretty much stock r pulls consistent times at the track and we are always pretty even because with my fidanza the wheels spin and start catching in 3rd gear but by the time im pulling its time to slow down and he is still in front.
topping out 4th n 5th he'd be nowhere in sight even with my 300mm convex broadway mirror. the ze makes much more torque at high rpm enabling us to accelerate faster than their puny 120# of torque @ flywheel in high gear even tho both engines are rated about 190hp.

in the low gears with the k8 ull have a good jump on hondas but as soon as they get higher rpm in 3rd gear they will beat u. from a stop they have less torque so u get your jump but short gearing and fast piston speeds make up for that by making high end hp engine in te honda. hondas make high hp and low torque, which we all know, this enables them to utilize full power without much worry about loosing traction like someone with a ze swap would. im sure it would be easier to race a kfze for drag than a klze.

im sure its wrong because of the smaller tire size and speedo inaccuracy but with my 205/55/15's mine has it 145 and 135 with stock size tires. r's have the shortest geared honda trannies which can go 143 in stock form due to wind drag, or low torque or rather no torque??? haha either way 143 is higher top speed than our cars, with more room to grow.
<img src="http://pb.xanga.com/b2/c1/b2c1fd0c0a94c ... 420123.jpg" alt=" - " /> fuel cut is 8700 rpm if i remember correctly, someone correct me if im wrong.

both are good cars.

[DavidOS]

type r's and zes are close races. Normally ZEs win going by just pure statistics of HP and torque. But again the outside factors like driver always play a part in that.

[Nallboy]

Yeah, I know my speedo might have been off some. I have 17" wheels, and I know that when I first put them on my RS they messed up my speedo. I was actually going, like Rx7man, around 10% faster than my speedometer read. Once I put the rims on my GS, though, I had a friend follow me and the speedo was right on. I don't know if the dude before me had it adjusted for his rims, I think he had 17"'s as well, or what, but it was right at least until around 80mph or so (that's as fast as we I went with my buddy following me). that's ghey.

[Sean Mandell]

Originally posted by Steeb:
u lost to the integra rs because its the lightest non vtec integra. the nonvtecs were not bad cars. with a good driver they could hit mid 15's. i was at palmdale track an a 96 civic dx stripped with no mods , not even intake or drop in filter was running 15.5-15.8's every run.

Originally posted by mitmaks:
what are you talking about, ill smoke most acuras with my k8, except higher end, but drop ze in and ill rape those typeR's etc. for fraction of what they paid for theirs. just wondering how fast did your buddy go (top speed?) mph

with a ze swap you wont be "raping" any r's until u learn to drive. they might be torqueless but they are not slow. my friend with a pretty much stock r pulls consistent times at the track and we are always pretty even because with my fidanza the wheels spin and start catching in 3rd gear but by the time im pulling its time to slow down and he is still in front.
topping out 4th n 5th he'd be nowhere in sight even with my 300mm convex broadway mirror. the ze makes much more torque at high rpm enabling us to accelerate faster than their puny 120# of torque @ flywheel in high gear even tho both engines are rated about 190hp.

in the low gears with the k8 ull have a good jump on hondas but as soon as they get higher rpm in 3rd gear they will beat u. from a stop they have less torque so u get your jump but short gearing and fast piston speeds make up for that by making high end hp engine in te honda. hondas make high hp and low torque, which we all know, this enables them to utilize full power without much worry about loosing traction like someone with a ze swap would. im sure it would be easier to race a kfze for drag than a klze.

[/QB]

Actually I got better traction with my fidenza on the klze, maybe you are running a heavy duty clutch cause my car barely peels in 3rd and I have
a clutch master stage 1. a stage 3 clutch on a
200 hp engine is useless. just get a stage 1 and
ss clutch line and that is more than enough for
a modified ze.

[mx3man83]

There is no way anybody was going 135 and still pulling on an incline. My KLZE redlines at about 133-134 in 5th gear. I've got 17's on as well. Also, I tried to max out my k8 and could never redline it in fifth gear on level ground.

[Steeb]

Originally posted by nvrsrndr:
Actually I got better traction with my fidenza on the klze, maybe you are running a heavy duty clutch cause my car barely peels in 3rd and I have
a clutch master stage 1. a stage 3 clutch on a
200 hp engine is useless. just get a stage 1 and
ss clutch line and that is more than enough for
a modified ze.

i preach this too every one that asks what kind of clutch should i get? i got everything u listed above and a couple more things. maybe i just got a strong motor...

[mitmaks]

Originally posted by mx3man83:
There is no way anybody was going 135 and still pulling on an incline. My KLZE redlines at about 133-134 in 5th gear. I've got 17's on as well. Also, I tried to max out my k8 and could never redline it in fifth gear on level ground.

i did ~126 on my stock K8 on incline and i still had 2K more to redline

[Sean Mandell]

Originally posted by Steeb:

Originally posted by nvrsrndr:
Actually I got better traction with my fidenza on the klze, maybe you are running a heavy duty clutch cause my car barely peels in 3rd and I have
a clutch master stage 1. a stage 3 clutch on a
200 hp engine is useless. just get a stage 1 and
ss clutch line and that is more than enough for
a modified ze.

i preach this too every one that asks what kind of clutch should i get? i got everything u listed above and a couple more things. maybe i just got a strong motor... . nice sleeper btw .