riaa sueing people

[kuruption1983]

I dont give a freakin **** what they are doing cuz the RIAA can **ow me, I will continue copying songs and buying, burning and returning cds till they realize that a retarded chillout or trance album that 70% of its songs suck bigtime is not worth 60$,,

[Johns93GS]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by uppitycracker:
<p>And I think the riaa arguement would be that why they make singles. <p>Personally if you download an album or a good portion of one and you like it then just buy the cd, thats what I do.<p>Also I dont see how its a bad thing that an organization is protecting there interests since when you break it down they are all just people trying to put food on there table and then some. Sooooo whats the big deal, if you dont like how it works then dont listen to music at all. You could sit in your rooms and listen to your selves talk since everyone likes to that so much anyway.<p>[ September 10, 2003: Message edited by: uppitycracker ]<hr></blockquote><p>Trying to put food on the table?? Obviously you don't have a grasp on the real world. How old are you? The RIAA is comprised of highly payed executives who live the high life and live it luxuriously. They should in no way be compared to the average American who is just getting by. <p>Thats like saying that US Senators are just trying to put food on their tables. I don't think so.<p>The RIAA is creating a monopoly on the music industry and getting away with it, which is not fair at all. Singles are not readily available like LP cd's or vinyls. <p>I pay for my CDs and I do put them on my comp. for people to download most of the time. If you are gonna knock my argument about the Library saying they charge late fees. I could take a book home from the library (hypothetically - i dont have this much time -&gt and photocopy it for myself and be done with it. <p>I'm not knocking Canada in any way, but the RIAA has virtually no impact on Canada like it does on the US. It's a crack-down, its like nothing is private anymore. They can subpoena your ISP and have all your info. They are sueing a 12-year-old girl! <p>$750-$150,000 per song, which is the liability of some music sharers into the millions of dollars. RIAA president Carey Sherman is a mad dog. As quoted in the Boston Globe from Tuesday, 9/9/03, <p>
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> Sherman, the RIAA president, said in a conference call earlier yesterday that parents should be held responsible for the children's actions.
"We expect to hear, 'It wasn't me, it was my kid.' If they would prefer that the lawsuit be amended to name the kid, we'd be happy to do that," he said <hr></blockquote><p>Mr. Sherman is ripping into America's families saying he will sue children for lost money for his pocket. It is a load of crap. They are not protecting interests of Artists, because if the artists really cared, they would launch their own campaigns and obviously everyone would stop listening to their music, so they go through the RIAA who is supposed to be the moderator of all the problems, when they are actually Money-grubbing, filthy-rich, mad-dog executives.<p>Do you "sit in your room and listen to your selves talk since everyone likes to that so much anyway"? Didn't think so. Shutup

[johnnyb]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by uppitycracker:

Also I dont see how its a bad thing that an organization is protecting there interests since when you break it down they are all just people trying to put food on there table and then some. Sooooo whats the big deal, if you dont like how it works then dont listen to music at all. You could sit in your rooms and listen to your selves talk since everyone likes to that so much anyway.<p>[ September 10, 2003: Message edited by: uppitycracker ]<hr></blockquote><p>I'd believe this comment if there wasnt one fact. The only reason RIAA is suing is because of making $2 billion a year on sales they're making $1 billion. Their argument is that the artists arent making their money off of the albums. The artists dont make anything on cd sales. All of their money comes from their tours. I'm sure they're blowing it way out of proportion in numbers, I mean come on only 1 person ever buys an album and then everyone downloads from that one person? please theres millions of people buying cds. How else do you get a gold or platinum album, from downloads? They're just making themselves look very bad in the eyes of the public and it will all come back to bite them in the *** .

[uppitycracker]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Johns93GS:
<p>Mr. Sherman is ripping into America's families saying he will sue children for lost money for his pocket. It is a load of crap. They are not protecting interests of Artists, because if the artists really cared, they would launch their own campaigns and obviously everyone would stop listening to their music, so they go through the RIAA who is supposed to be the moderator of all the problems, when they are actually Money-grubbing, filthy-rich, mad-dog executives.<p>Do you "sit in your room and listen to your selves talk since everyone likes to that so much anyway"? Didn't think so. Shutup<hr></blockquote><p>
So what, the fact still remains that its their music and people are taking there profits away through piracy, and while yes the executives high up get to keep all there money, who do you think suffers the losses? The people low in the chain that get fired because of cut backs. So ya its retarded to charge 150,000 a song but they have every right too. <p>I love this little hippy bull**** ****in mentality that big business is evil and they don't deserve to protect there profits and net worth.<p>So how old are you? Still living in mommies basement typing up little self rightous arguements like that? just keep taking the american press as gospel.

[mx3TT]

Welcome to the board buddy <p>[ September 10, 2003: Message edited by: mx3TT ]</p>

[Johns93GS]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by uppitycracker:
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So what, the fact still remains that its their music and people are taking there profits away through piracy, and while yes the executives high up get to keep all there money, who do you think suffers the losses? The people low in the chain that get fired because of cut backs. So ya its retarded to charge 150,000 a song but they have every right too. <p>I love this little hippy bull**** ****in mentality that big business is evil and they don't deserve to protect there profits and net worth.<p>So how old are you? Still living in mommies basement typing up little self rightous arguements like that? just keep taking the american press as gospel.<hr></blockquote><p>Hey yo ***got get off this board if you are gonna trash Americans and call them hippies. I work my fingers to the bone for my money and im not about to let some head-honcho sue me - or if I had kids, sue my kids for money that they lost when they are living the ****in high life. They got change for another martini im sure of it. <p>Your canadian and its obvious you dont know ****. Again this isnt against the cdn's its against you, cuz you are a flamer who doesnt know anything about the real world and what it takes to support yourself. I guess Daddy still pays your college tuition huh?<p>What, are you mad cuz you can't sell your MX-3, so your gonna take it out on us? Grow up kid. You made a great first impression here!<p>[ September 10, 2003: Message edited by: Johns93GS ]</p>

[johnnyb]

im sorry but....<p>list of recent MULTI-PLATINUM albums
list of recent PLATINUM albums
list of GOLD albums<p>a gold album is rewarded when sales of that album exceed 500,000 copies.
a platinum album is rewarded when sales of that album exceed 1,000,000 copies.
a multi-platinum album is rewarded when sales of that album exceed 2,000,000 copies.<p>take a look and then tell me riaa is really all that bad because of file-sharing. Its called greed it has nothing to do with people losing jobs. you look at that list multiply all those albums by $10 (i'm saying $10 because the artist is given a SMALL share of cd sales and the cost of production is cheap as well) they arent doing that bad

[kuruption1983]

you know where the problem rises from, from some ***** fellow citizen who pay 20-30 bucks for a bunch of useless **ll**** cds that are made by some talentless artists who their main reason of fame is havin 2 big *its,,

[uppitycracker]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by johnnyb:
im sorry but....<p>list of recent MULTI-PLATINUM albums
list of recent PLATINUM albums
list of GOLD albums<p>a gold album is rewarded when sales of that album exceed 500,000 copies.
a platinum album is rewarded when sales of that album exceed 1,000,000 copies.
a multi-platinum album is rewarded when sales of that album exceed 2,000,000 copies.<p>take a look and then tell me riaa is really all that bad because of file-sharing. Its called greed it has nothing to do with people losing jobs. you look at that list multiply all those albums by $10 (i'm saying $10 because the artist is given a SMALL share of cd sales and the cost of production is cheap as well) they arent doing that bad<hr></blockquote><p>Bravo useless facts, wheres the other data to back that up, you know, overhead, cd manufacturing is an expensive business and it doesnt only lie in the making of the cd, but the environmental issues they need to address, royalties, wages, profit sharing, and so on.<p>My whole point is it is there right to do what they are doing, not whether it is moral. Ya that is bull**** sueing a 12yo girl, but they obviously feel threatened enough to go that far.<p>But Im done man, you win, your my new personal hero, if I only knew I could win an arguement with a few useless links and angry words

[Nd4SpdSe]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by uppitycracker:
Bravo useless facts, wheres the other data to back that up, you know, overhead, cd manufacturing is an expensive business and it doesnt only lie in the making of the cd, but the environmental issues they need to address, royalties, wages, profit sharing, and so on.<hr></blockquote><p>
K i betcha i cant burn, and print out on photo paper an exact copy of a cd, and it would cost me less than C$1. Them, they could prolly make more than enough cd's to fill a store shelves before my cd is done burning, their cost of making a cd had to be sooo minute, its not even funny. A co-worker said to me one day (and he's very educated) that the most (at the time, this was a few years ago) an artist makes off a single cd is 25 cents<p>You basing that fact that the RIAA<p>How could a multi-million dollar companybe threatened enought by a 12yr old that they must sue for $150'000 a song! Thats soo much money that the kid wont even understand what happened. at 12yrs old, could you imagine how much money that is, i doubt it. She prolly wont be able to understand soo much, that she wont feel guilty, maybe if they took her teddy away or her allowance for a month, than she would understand.<p>Could you imagine, a company that would sue, say my familly for 1 song @ $150'000, that my parents house and land cannot even cover half of that amount. So you telling me that a company had a right to take EVERYTHING away from a familly to teach them a lesson...they wouldnt have enough money to survive for SEVERAL years while their paying that off that fine, and during those years, they wouldnt even scrape enough money to buy a cd legitimately.<p>RIAA's New Motto:
"Because they're downloading music instead of buying the CD's. We sue our potential customers for so much money that they can't afford to buy CD's"

[uppitycracker]

Ya man I believe I did say that it rediculous to sue a 12 year old girl, and like i said its more then just simply printy a cover and burning a cd, theres so much more cost involved in the manufacturing process, but thats not even the point, the point is they are losing money and trying to make up for that, sure its in a ****ty way, but thats there right(like i said five times already). <p>And how about this, that 12 year old girl, if it is so wrong then why dont all of you delete all your songs, burn all your ripped cds and give in, no? then i guess you care less about that girl or any of those other people then the big wigs do?

[azmtbkr81]

I think the RIAA has written their own death warrant. By suing all of these downloaders they are creating an unbeleivable amount of resentment, nothing pisses Americans off more than taking their money. I doubt they will ever be able to recover from the public relations disaster they have brought upon themselves.<p>Funny thing is that the RIAA thinks that this is going to stop people from downloading music. How long do you think it will be until hackers create a way to share mp-3s anonymously or block the RIAA from seeing your files? I know there are already beta versions of this kind of software in the works. The record companies spent billions developing those copy proof CDs a few years ago and within a week someone found a way to defeat the copy-proofing with a magic marker. <p>If the RIAA was smart, they would suck it up and adapt. Or, as mentioned earlier they could start promoting talent instead of making stars and "divas" (I hate that word) out of no-talent clowns who create disposable, forgettable music. If you look at the stars who oppose downloading MP-3s you will see that they are all has-beens like Metallica, Madonna, and P-diddy who don't want you to hear the crap that is on their CDs first and then decide not to buy them.

[The_Great_Tonge]

All i can say is that this is ****ing disgusting, pardon me but to go after a 12 year old girl. I listen to music, i buy AND download it. artist dont make all their money from sales, they make it from other ventures such as tours. I feel sooo bad for this poor little girl, i hope who ever went after this girl gets cancer!!! thats right cancer, cause this girl is going to forever have this memory in her mind. it makes me sick!<p>
12-Year-Old Sued for Music Downloading <p>Tuesday, September 09, 2003 <p>nypost.com <p>NEW YORK — The music industry has turned its big legal guns on Internet music-swappers — including a 12-year-old New York City girl who thought downloading songs was fun. <p>Brianna LaHara said she was frightened to learn she was among the hundreds of people sued yesterday by giant music companies in federal courts around the country. <p>"I got really scared. My stomach is all turning," Brianna said last night at the city Housing Authority apartment where she lives with her mom and her 9-year-old brother. <p>"I thought it was OK to download music because my mom paid a service fee for it. Out of all people, why did they pick me?" <p>The Recording Industry Association of America — a music-industry lobbying group behind the lawsuits — couldn't answer that question. <p>"We are taking each individual on a case-by-case basis," said RIAA spokeswoman Amy Weiss. <p>Asked if the association knew Brianna was 12 when it decided to sue her, Weiss answered, "We don't have any personal information on any of the individuals." <p>Brianna's mom, Sylvia Torres, said the lawsuit was "a total shock." <p>"My daughter was on the verge of tears when she found out about this," Torres said. <p>The family signed up for the Kazaa music-swapping service three months ago, and paid a $29.99 service charge. <p>Usually, they listen to songs without recording them. "There's a lot of music there, but we just listen to it and let it go," Torres said. <p>When reporters visited teh apartment last night, Brianna — who her mom says is an honors student — was helping her brother with his homework. <p>Brianna was among 261 people sued for copying thousands of songs via popular Internet file-sharing software — and thousands more suits could be on the way. <p>"Nobody likes playing the heavy and having to resort to litigation," said Cary Sherman, the RIAA's president. "But when your product is being regularly stolen, there comes a time when you have to take appropriate action." <p>At the same time, the RIAA offered amnesty to file-swappers who come forward and agree to stop illegally downloading music over the Internet. <p>People who already have been sued are not eligible for amnesty. <p>Brianna and the others sued yesterday under federal copyright law could face penalties of up to $150,000 per song, but the RIAA has already settled some cases for as little as $3,000. <p>"It's not like we were doing anything illegal," said Torres. "This is a 12-year-old girl, for crying out loud." <p>
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,96797,00.html<p>
Followed by....
Girl, 12, Settles Piracy Suit for $2,000
Sep 9, 7:19 PM (ET) <p>By TED BRIDIS <p>WASHINGTON (AP) - A 12-year-old girl in New York who was among the first to be sued by the record industry for sharing music over the Internet is off the hook after her mother agreed Tuesday to pay $2,000 to settle the lawsuit, apologizing and admitting that her daughter's actions violated U.S. copyright laws. <p>The hurried settlement involving Brianna LaHara, an honors student, was the first announced one day after the Recording Industry Association of America filed 261 such lawsuits across the country. Lawyers for the RIAA said Brianna's mother, Sylvia Torres, contacted them early Tuesday to negotiate. <p>"We understand now that file-sharing the music was illegal," Torres said in a statement distributed by the recording industry. "You can be sure Brianna won't be doing it anymore." <p>Brianna added: "I am sorry for what I have done. I love music and don't want to hurt the artists I love." <p>The case against Brianna was a potential minefield for the music industry from a public relations standpoint. The family lives in a city housing project on New York's Upper West Side, and they said they mistakenly believed they were entitled to download music over the Internet because they had paid $29.99 for software that gives them access to online file-sharing services. <p>Even in the hours before the settlement was announced, Brianna was emerging as an example of what critics said was overzealous enforcement by the powerful music industry. <p>The top lawyer for Verizon Communications Inc. charged earlier Tuesday during a Senate hearing that music lawyers had resorted to a "campaign against 12-year-old girls" rather than trying to help consumers turn to legal sources for songs online. Verizon's Internet subsidiary is engaged in a protracted legal fight against the RIAA over copyright subpoenas sent Verizon customers. <p>Sen. **** Durbin, D-Ill., also alluded to Brianna's case. <p>"Are you headed to junior high schools to round up the usual suspects?" Durbin asked RIAA President Cary Sherman during a Senate Judiciary hearing. <p>Durbin said he appreciated the piracy threat to the recording industry, but added, "I think you have a tough public relations campaign to go after the offenders without appearing heavy-handed in the process." <p>Sherman responded that most people don't shoplift because they fear they'll be arrested. <p>"We're trying to let people know they may get caught, therefore they should not engage in this behavior," Sherman said. "Yes, there are going to be some kids caught in this, but you'd be surprised at how many adults are engaged in this activity." <p>http://apnews.myway.com//article/20030909/D7TF60800.html

[uppitycracker]

YA thats true, I bet there is 1000 ways they could turn them selves around but you know how it is, the people with ideas are ate the bottom and the *** kissing idiots are at the top running the company into the ground. Ive seen a few things floating around, one was a program that basically sabotages file sharing programs and messes up addresses to content and files. Lowering the price of cd's could be another way, stop making ****ty music that doesnt sell. IM sure all that has been said.

[The_Great_Tonge]

im not done yet about this, what makes it soo bad that they are sueing for $2000, that is a large amount of money for a single-mother living in public housing to have to pay. i mean what the hell is the world comming to. a MULTI MIILLION dollar company sueing a single mother for 2 grand, to them its a drop in the bucket but to that mother and duaghter, they are going to have to make sooo many sacrifices. if i knew where that family lived i would send the $20, cause it makes me feel bad. all the RIAA is doing is kicking that family while they are down, im not even thinking about lawer fees and such...it just gets me heated!