i hate cops

[babyblueMX3]

they don't pull me over because my muffler is too loud (well it doesn't help), they pull me over just because it's illegal to change your muffler..When they see it's not stock well they pull me over..They don't care if it's lound or not they just want to give me a ticket even if it's quiet..The officer this mornig told me (the one who pull me over for the second time) it's not a personal thing, I like your car but it's my job to do so. If you don't change I'll catch you again one day or another.

[mitmaks]

i drive with mine with no silencer nobody gives **** about it, id say go to court. mine is not real loud though and not raspy civic annoying. then i see all these hotrods with straight-through mufflers and open headers nobody pulls them over. wtf now?

[Manach]

BabyBlue Mx3<p>Go on the Mx-3 Québec board.<p>We note down the law for mufflers. Your answer to figth it should be there.<p>I think it is LEGAL to change it for the SAAQ! There is no law from the SAAQ, as they only enforce SECURITY! There is 1 thing that can make your muffler illegal, seriously. Noise, because the TOWN pass a law for that. Rather than that, if it don't affect your security.. There should be something for you to defend against.

[Manach]

Found it..<p>http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/dossier/vehicules_modifies/permis.html<p>French thought.<p>Legal to : De changer le silencieux (le système d’échappement doit être solidement fixé, ne pas présenter de fuites et être conçu pour un usage routier).

[Manach]

Last thing, in the province of quebec, there is something you can say, that won't wirte you a ticket on the spot!<p>Say : 'Before you write me a ticket, I HAVE the RIGHT to make have a counter-thought. I demande an inspection at a SAAq Garage!'<p>Oh jeez.. the face when they hear that.. True, if everything was made in LA REGLE DE L'ART, you should pass the SAAQ Garage with no trouble.. Oh, instead of a 500$ fine.. you got a 85 bills.. interesting..

[Manach]

Ok ok.. not the last thing..<p>Here is the CODE of LAW of QUEBEC in French!<p>§ 9. Système d'échappement <p>91. Le système d'échappement doit comporter ses éléments notamment de collecteur, les tuyaux, le silencieux, les supports et les attaches.
Les éléments du sysème d'échappement doivent être solidement retenus aux points de fixation et aucun élément ne doit présenter de fuite de gaz aux raccords ou provenant de fissures ou de trous autres que ceux prévus lors de la fabrication du système d'échappement pour l'évacuation de la condensation par le fabricant du système d'échappement.
Toute réparation sur l'un de ces éléments doit lui conserver les mêmes caractéristiques que celles existant lors de sa fabrication.
D. 1483-98, a. 91.
92. Aucun élément du système d'échappement ne doit passer à moins de 50 mm d'un autre élément, tels une pièce en matériau combustible, un fil électrique, une canalisation de carburant ou de frein ou un réservoir de carburant, qui n'est pas protégé par un écran approprié contre la chaleur. Dans le cas des canalisations de carburant sous pression, de types GNC et PGL, cette distance minimale doit être de 150 mm.
De plus, aucune matière inflammable ne doit dégoutter sur un élément du système d'échappement.
D. 1483-98, a. 92.
93. Lorsqu'un élément du système d'échappement est localisé à proximité d'une porte d'accès de l'habitacle, cet élément doit être recouvert d'une structure protectrice s'il y a un risque de brûlure pour la personne qui y a accès.
D. 1483-98, a. 93.
94. Aucun élément du système d'échappement ne doit être remplacé, modifié ou enlevé de manière à rendre le système plus bruyant que celui installé lors de la fabrication du véhicule routier par le fabricant.
D. 1483-98, a. 94.
95. Aucun des éléments du système d'échappement ne doit traverser l'habitacle. La sortie du tuyau d'échappement ne doit pas être située sous l'espace réservé aux occupants et aux bagages. De plus, la sortie doit être située derrière toute vitre latérale pouvant s'ouvrir et le tuyau ne doit pas excéder horizontalement le véhicule de plus de 15 cm.
D. 1483-98, a. 95.

[babyblueMX3]

hey thanx a lot for those infos..but I'm legal as it concerns the SAAQ but I'm not to the LAW OF QUEBEC..hmmmm...don't know what to do..

[Spydie]

here's what you do.....you translate all that french law for me....or at least give me the skinny, I read it, I tell you to fight it, you fight it. Get on the phone and make calls.
Talk to that SAAQ thing (whatever that is) and get their response in WRITING.
If I was driving through Quebec would I get a ticket??? Steve I'm gonna come to your place sometime and I'll rev to redline the whole way and see if I get stopped. I still think yer being targeted. Your car DOES stand out.

[MX-3 for Me]

mmm yea i've heard it a couple times from cops also about muffler being too loud. The last time i was pulled over i simply said "I duno, I took it to midas to put on a new muffler and this is what they put on *shrugs* how would I know im just a chick, u think i'd put a loud muffler on my car on purpose?!"
I think its the blonde hair that made the cop believe me that my car was targeted and some mean dude from midas slapped a performance exhaust on my car instead of a stock one. muuuhahaha- sometimes its toooo much fun being a girl

[babyblueMX3]

Ok Darren I'll translate a bit for you<p>The SAAQ says that I have the right the change the muffler as long as it's well fixed, got no leaks, and as to be made for street use.<p>The law of Quebec on the other side says..<p>-the exhaust system must have a cat, muffler, piping (duh) and all the supports
-Everything must be well fixed and do not have any leaks of any kind.
-Any reparations on one of these msut keep the same caracteristics of the stock one.
-You don't have the right to replace,modified or remove any part of the exhaust system to make it louder than the stock one.<p>These are the best lines, they're others but doesn't concern the subject were on.<p>Judge for yourself now...<p>I think that if my muffler didn't make a lound sound it would be legal.

[Spydie]

yup it's just sound.
Get one of the ones with the removable silencer

[maldo]

Instead of whining and crying to us and the cop that pulled you over while doing his job. Why not try to influence those motorists, aka ricers, who are giving the rest of us a bad name. These are the guys who think Fast and the Furious is how things are done, the street races, basically the jackasses. The reason you are targetted is because you drive a similar car to them, yes it is profiling but what can you do. I got pulled over and warned about my muffler, I didn't agree with it but hey, he is just doing his job. It is your job to know the laws, when you get pulled over discuss the issue with the officer in a calm manner and find out exactly why you got pulled over. Explain the laws as you understand them and see what he says. Flying off the handle only guarantees you a ticket. Screaming about how you want cops to die is one of the greatest ways of displaying your complete lack of maturity and ignorance.<p>

[OsoSlo z28]

well said chris.

[babyblueMX3]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by maldo:
Instead of whining and crying to us and the cop that pulled you over while doing his job. Why not try to influence those motorists, aka ricers, who are giving the rest of us a bad name. These are the guys who think Fast and the Furious is how things are done, the street races, basically the jackasses. The reason you are targetted is because you drive a similar car to them, yes it is profiling but what can you do. I got pulled over and warned about my muffler, I didn't agree with it but hey, he is just doing his job. It is your job to know the laws, when you get pulled over discuss the issue with the officer in a calm manner and find out exactly why you got pulled over. Explain the laws as you understand them and see what he says. Flying off the handle only guarantees you a ticket. Screaming about how you want cops to die is one of the greatest ways of displaying your complete lack of maturity and ignorance.<p> <hr></blockquote><p>I think you didn't read my posts right..Tell me a place I said I wanted a cop to die or a place I yeld at the officer..I just wanted to tell my story.. Think before calling people immature and ignorant . . .

[maldo]

My comment was general and not specifically targeted towards you. The post of <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> i think they should all be killed, donut pigs!!!, <hr></blockquote>, was posted by Mitmaks. I do believe a portion of my comment applies to each and everyone on this list, especially those complaining in this thread. If you feel hurt by my comments, get over it. If you start treating members of the police force as people then maybe they and I will start treating you with the respect you deserve.