Traction bars --- KL & BP

[bpt323]

Here's a real design for the community.

These actually work!!!
As opposed to that horizontal design along the LCA which physically cannot actually aid in increasing traction in a forward line.
im simply baffled by how the previous seller could have gotten away with selling a part like that & calling it a "traction bar"
Irritating to someone like me who takes pride in providing real performance parts & not screwing fellow members.


My traction bar design actually functions in the plane of LCA deflection-
****where as the previous design physically cannot****
This also offers some additional bonus's:

Clearance on both KL & BP motors (turbo charge piping may need adjustment***)
Full lock-to-lock turning
Significantly tightens up the front end of the car.
Allows for a small increase in positive castor which is extremely beneficial in the BG/EC chassis.


INSTALLED ON A BPT MX3 GS















Pictures installed on my KL mx3 GS (prototype R&D designs)[current LCA bracketry is of a better design]









More pictures will be posted as i receive them from members currently running them.

Pricing will be matched to the previous design
~$350 shipped (USA ONLY)
canada +$50 with USPS(avoid the customs/duty fees)

the assembly weight is ~14lbs in total (hardware included)

ONLY 2 LEFT!!!!!

Feedback thread on Mx-3.com:
http://www.mx-3.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=79171

Feedback on clubprotege.com:
http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/itrader.php?u=14

[Mooneggs]

Have you talked to the administrator (mx-3.com) about selling these on this forum?

[bpt323]

no. there are only 4 im not doing a mass group buy.

PS can you see the pictures or no?

[Evo_Spec]

PS can you see the pictures or no?

the pictures aren't working for me, nor can i go directly to the link

I found this in the "what did you do to your BG" thread, is this the same one?

[bpt323]

yep. thats one of them.

edited the first post with photobucket reference links.......
Let me know if they work now

[diezzel]

Can you put me down for a set . Shipped to postal code T5S-1T6 . Thank you .

[Daninski]

I'm looking at them and it looks like as the LCA moves up and down distance from your forward mounting point will change effectively either pulling or pushing the LCA forward and back. Am I seeing this wrong. Thanks

[tehbrookzorz]

I'm looking at them and it looks like as the LCA moves up and down distance from your forward mounting point will change effectively either pulling or pushing the LCA forward and back. Am I seeing this wrong. Thanks

You want to turn? Sheesh. People and their expectations.

[Daninski]

I'm looking at them and it looks like as the LCA moves up and down distance from your forward mounting point will change effectively either pulling or pushing the LCA forward and back. Am I seeing this wrong. Thanks

You want to turn? Sheesh. People and their expectations.

[bpt323]

full lock-lock turning is maintained tested with 215-55-16's


there is no push/pull effect in the arc angle from the LCA to the forward mounting point. hiem joints are utilized to eliminate binding forces of such arc movement.

In any given situation with bushing flex there is allowed SOME LCA shifting.
However, the arc angle of said shifting due to tractive forces is different from specific parallel movement.
Effectively an equal arc to the LCA's inherit swing (obviously less degree ratio) - rotated on a 90° axis (horizontal VS vertical) [bushing compression]

So... if your LCA(s) is moving in parallel to your car as your describing -you should really be concerned about other things.

If your looking to eliminate ANY bushing deflection. these are what you need.

http://www.mx-3.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=75547

after which point the additional traction bar would become assistive support to chassis deflection in the body & subframe (which is inherit to all vehicles modded or OEM)

Any other inquiring comments???

[diezzel]

Will these still fit on a lowered car with 17 " tires ? Just better ask . Thanks

[jamestakay]

Can you take a picture of where the bar is supposed to go? Kind of hard to tell what it hooks up to.

[Ryan]

I'm also curious what the bar mounts to up front.

Yay for effective design though. Have you done the calcs to see how much strain the LCA joint sees due to the geometry, from full decompress (car in air) to full compression (hard hard corner)? Over looking something like that might cause unexpected failure.

probably the easiest way to see would be to actually do it. remove the strut/spinde at the ball joint, get it out of the way entirely.
unbolt the traction bar spherical bearing at the LCA.
stand on the control arm until it bottoms out and see how misaligned the spherical and bracket are.
then put a jack under control arm til it bottoms(or tops?) out and see how misaligned spherical and bracket are.

[bpt323]

The arc of the LCA angle under full compression & full drop (with suspension connected) is less then the total misalignment allowable @ the hiem joint.

I think you need a better understanding of how the hiem joint is working. I'll post some more pictures of the connection @ the control arm.

[MrMazda92]

Unfortunately I am a little more tapped out at present than I'd like, so I'll probably have to wait around for a second run of these. I hope you will be doing an official BB at a later date, I'd love to pick a set up after a little more feedback rolls in from other users!

I like the design, and to my unexperienced eyes it looks very effective for it's purpose, I just need to pad my bank account a little more before buying more go-fast goodies.