Wideband o2 sensor

4-Cyl. Technical/Performance Discussions
Post Reply
User avatar
DeadMaker
Regular Member
Posts: 457
Joined: January 29th, 2010, 12:33 pm
antispam: No
Location: Greece

Wideband o2 sensor

Post by DeadMaker »

Ok i was thinking of changing my 02 sensor header with wideband.
The question is can the stock ecu handle the output voltage of this sensors?
I want to go with wideband cause in the faar future i am planning for a turbo bp...So instead of getting a narrow and after a wideband,why don't choose it from the beggining?
But can it work with stock ecu?
Black Mazda Mx3 Rs 1997 B6DE
User avatar
Josh
Supporting Member
Posts: 3432
Joined: April 18th, 2002, 2:01 am
Location: Washington state
Contact:

Re: Wideband o2 sensor

Post by Josh »

Probably I would look into a first. I would think all you would have to do is splice in the signal wire to the ECU. I know my wide band is plug and play with my stand alone. I dont see why it wouldn't.
User avatar
DeadMaker
Regular Member
Posts: 457
Joined: January 29th, 2010, 12:33 pm
antispam: No
Location: Greece

Re: Wideband o2 sensor

Post by DeadMaker »

I have heard that this sensors have output from 0-5v and stock ecus(i don't know about b6d) can't handle above 2v?Or somewhere in this range..
Did you replace a stock existing or did you put in a new o2 bung?
Black Mazda Mx3 Rs 1997 B6DE
User avatar
marcdh
Regular Member
Posts: 1460
Joined: July 26th, 2006, 3:54 pm
Location: Belfast -Northern Ireland
Contact:

Re: Wideband o2 sensor

Post by marcdh »

The stock ecu is calibrated with the stock narrowband sensors. Unless there's a narrowband emulation I can't see the stock ecu liking it as WB is 0-5v. Narrowband iirc is more like 0-1v. I'd just weld in another bung.
AZ-3 1498cc Turbo! EVO 8 turbo and manifold, 5 stud swap, SSR Type C, DIYPNP seq Megasquirt
Mx-3 2.5 V6 Turbo 291 BHP 251 lbft @ 8psi - Retired due to rust and back at uni
View Worklog
Image
User avatar
DeadMaker
Regular Member
Posts: 457
Joined: January 29th, 2010, 12:33 pm
antispam: No
Location: Greece

Re: Wideband o2 sensor

Post by DeadMaker »

So from what you say stock ecu can not work with wideband..
And something else.some people replace it with the stock sensor position,some other put it in new place.
When you put it in a new place,you must disconnect the existing narrow sensor from ecu to wire the wideband?
Or you leave it as it is and splice the signal wire to ecu and work with narrow and wideband at the same time?
Black Mazda Mx3 Rs 1997 B6DE
User avatar
RS_OBD'oh_2
Senior Member
Posts: 2400
Joined: April 9th, 2007, 1:26 pm
Location: Calgary, AB

Re: Wideband o2 sensor

Post by RS_OBD'oh_2 »

the wide band will be for your information only, the stock ecu will not and can not use it. You can use it with an aftermarket standalone or some piggy ems.
User avatar
marcdh
Regular Member
Posts: 1460
Joined: July 26th, 2006, 3:54 pm
Location: Belfast -Northern Ireland
Contact:

Re: Wideband o2 sensor

Post by marcdh »

Exactly!
AZ-3 1498cc Turbo! EVO 8 turbo and manifold, 5 stud swap, SSR Type C, DIYPNP seq Megasquirt
Mx-3 2.5 V6 Turbo 291 BHP 251 lbft @ 8psi - Retired due to rust and back at uni
View Worklog
Image
User avatar
DeadMaker
Regular Member
Posts: 457
Joined: January 29th, 2010, 12:33 pm
antispam: No
Location: Greece

Re: Wideband o2 sensor

Post by DeadMaker »

As far as i know in wot situation the stock ecu ignores the narrow signal.In closed loop the ecu takes order from the o2 sensor from 0-1v
When you use piggy back you can tune it in a way that you will work only with the wideband in open and closed loop or it is necessary to have the narrow band work at the same time?
Black Mazda Mx3 Rs 1997 B6DE
Dark_Rider2k3
Regular Member
Posts: 1603
Joined: March 6th, 2007, 1:17 pm
Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (USA)

Re: Wideband o2 sensor

Post by Dark_Rider2k3 »

I have a wideband o2. What I did was used the stock narrowband for the ECU, but welded in a bung a bit down from the narrowband (on the downpipe and not on the header) and installed a wideband there. The wideband goes to my gauge, and has a few wires that i can use for a datalogger.
User avatar
DeadMaker
Regular Member
Posts: 457
Joined: January 29th, 2010, 12:33 pm
antispam: No
Location: Greece

Re: Wideband o2 sensor

Post by DeadMaker »

You are using it only for information..Not to control the ecu.is the ecu stock?
Black Mazda Mx3 Rs 1997 B6DE
Dark_Rider2k3
Regular Member
Posts: 1603
Joined: March 6th, 2007, 1:17 pm
Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (USA)

Re: Wideband o2 sensor

Post by Dark_Rider2k3 »

DeadMaker wrote:You are using it only for information..Not to control the ecu.is the ecu stock?
Yeah I am keeping the narrowband o2 for the ECU. I can't confirm but I'm pretty sure the ECU can't read a wideband (unless you have an aftermarket engine management system that can)
Post Reply

Return to “4-Cyl. Technical/Performance”