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- _-Night-Shade-_
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I'm from Ukraine, home of Chernobel and crappy old cars. Don't tell me about how the air is
- Inodoro Pereyra
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Touché..._-Night-Shade-_ wrote:I'm from Ukraine, home of Chernobel and crappy old cars. Don't tell me about how the air is
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I live in SC where there are no emissions checks. We did away with inspections years ago (presumably because the aggregated cost of the inspections outweighs the cost of dealing with any additional pollution). I don't believe we have a severe automobile-related pollution problem here (the most noticeable pollution in Charleston appears to be caused by the paper mill).Inodoro Pereyra wrote:I understand you're young, and you don't have first hand experience on this. Go ask your parents, or anybody you know, who lived through the '70s. Ask them what the air was like when "the government wasn't worried" about emissions. Ask them how your air, water and soil would be, if the government had stayed out of it.
If fighting emissions is really important to you, IMO the most effective way to reduce them is to form an organization that informs the public on which cars have lowest emissions and the importance of reducing overall emissions.
And to the commenter who wants to cheat on his emissions test: I don't blame you, emissions tests sound like a PITA, and I'm glad I live in a state where we don't have to deal with that. A more ethical course of action, however, would be to lobby your state government to change its laws. If you ignore the law without attempting to change it, you implicitly reject the entire law (because if it is ethical to ignore a law you disagree with, then you can pick and choose which laws to follow and still live within the bounds of your ethical system).
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- Inodoro Pereyra
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The big advantage in SC (and the reason I'm desperate to move to NC), is the low population. But, if you're old enough, you must remember the smog problem in the big cities (Los Angeles, New York) before they started checking emissions.
I come from Buenos Aires. We don't have emissions checks in there, for private cars, and among professional vehicles the corruption is rampant. To make it even better, most cars are carbureted, and don't have catalytics.
A major Bs As newspaper puts, as part of its weather report, every day in its last page, a CO/CO2 report, measured in one of the most important corners in the city. The normal CO and CO2 level is, on a weekday, about 11 times the maximum, as per WHO. On a weekend, it goes down to 7-8 times the maximum.
Safe to assume we DO have a smog problem...
Here, you even hint at the possibility of forming such group, and you're immediately labelled as a "liberal", "treehugger", whatever. Decades ago, a politician said the best way to destroy the credibility in any issue is to turn it into a political issue. Some Americans seem to be masters at that (and yeah, I'm talking about, among others, Bush and Gore).
I come from Buenos Aires. We don't have emissions checks in there, for private cars, and among professional vehicles the corruption is rampant. To make it even better, most cars are carbureted, and don't have catalytics.
A major Bs As newspaper puts, as part of its weather report, every day in its last page, a CO/CO2 report, measured in one of the most important corners in the city. The normal CO and CO2 level is, on a weekday, about 11 times the maximum, as per WHO. On a weekend, it goes down to 7-8 times the maximum.
Safe to assume we DO have a smog problem...
Here, you even hint at the possibility of forming such group, and you're immediately labelled as a "liberal", "treehugger", whatever. Decades ago, a politician said the best way to destroy the credibility in any issue is to turn it into a political issue. Some Americans seem to be masters at that (and yeah, I'm talking about, among others, Bush and Gore).
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i could give a rats @$$ about the law, but i do care about my planet. everyone should do their part. yes, there are still volcanic eruptions and oceanic plant decomposition and cows farting, but that doesn't mean we should contribute to the problem, or rather, unbalance the cycle of things.
and fyi, they don't charge for emissions here. just because YOU have a corrupt local government, it doesn't negate the intent of the regulation
and fyi, they don't charge for emissions here. just because YOU have a corrupt local government, it doesn't negate the intent of the regulation
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There you go! Let's all move to Chicago!!!
Seriously though, I completely agree. But unfortunately, thinking like that will automatically convert you into a liberal, not worth listening to. Like Al Gore, who is a fraud because he talks about the environment but he's a fraud, because he travels around the World in a jet, instead of using a cart pulled by a donkey fed on Beano, so it won't fart.
The problem is, everybody wants clean air (or most everybody), but they want others to sacrifice for it. And it's very easy to find excuses not to comply with those laws.
Seriously though, I completely agree. But unfortunately, thinking like that will automatically convert you into a liberal, not worth listening to. Like Al Gore, who is a fraud because he talks about the environment but he's a fraud, because he travels around the World in a jet, instead of using a cart pulled by a donkey fed on Beano, so it won't fart.
The problem is, everybody wants clean air (or most everybody), but they want others to sacrifice for it. And it's very easy to find excuses not to comply with those laws.
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Like people complaining about the biodegradable Sunchip bags being too loud....so now they gotta go back to the regular bag...Inodoro Pereyra wrote:The problem is, everybody wants clean air (or most everybody), but they want others to sacrifice for it. And it's very easy to find excuses not to comply with those laws.
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So...Have you done anything yet?
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well im weighing my options about this parts car for 100 the front end is awesome and it has everything i need. the guy who is supposed to buy the sentra is supposed to be coming today to buy it for 400 but he hasnt called and im a bit worried right now. i told him everything wrong and he seems ok with it but the headliner is trashed and im thinkin he may back out.
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A guy backing out from a $400 car would give a new definition to the word "stupid". The cat and the doors cost more than that...
Anyways, best of luck to you.
Anyways, best of luck to you.
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- _-Night-Shade-_
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You're contradicting yourself...ninjajim4 wrote:i could give a rats @$$ about the law, but i do care about my planet. everyone should do their part. yes, there are still volcanic eruptions and oceanic plant decomposition and cows farting, but that doesn't mean we should contribute to the problem, or rather, unbalance the cycle of things.
and fyi, they don't charge for emissions here. just because YOU have a corrupt local government, it doesn't negate the intent of the regulation