6 individual throttle bodies (6 throttles)

kenken · Post by **kenken** » January 29th, 2007, 3:19 am

hello everyone,has anyone seen mx3 gs with 6 throttle bodies? is this setup beneficial? thanks

Nd4SpdSe · Post by **Nd4SpdSe** » January 29th, 2007, 7:18 am

Not on a stock K8, and nothing in an Mx-3, but I have seen it on an N/A Drag KLZE 323 and on a KLZE Miata

Juans_93_MX3 · Post by **Juans_93_MX3** » January 29th, 2007, 11:09 am

I wonder if there is any benifit to it
I also wonder what gains

Steeb · Post by **Steeb** » January 29th, 2007, 11:33 am

probably wont do much on a k8.

solo_ryder · Post by **solo_ryder** » January 29th, 2007, 4:43 pm

There is definately some benifit and some gains to be had, the most powerful upgrade you can for a N/A motor (K series at least) IMO. The thing is though, it wouldnt be cool on a k8 cause the cost to get a setup like that and a standalone system would be to much, even if you can make your own plentum to mount the ITB's to. Better off to get a ZE then cause you'll make more power with a ZE then a k8 with a ITB setup.

However, if you were to do that setup on a ZE or DE then your talking. You have to keep in mind there is alot of custom work to be done to make something like this work because there are obviously no systems available for our cars. You would need to source out some higher end crotch rocket ITB's like Hyabusa or R1/GSX-R750/1000 ITB's and then have a aluminum plentum made up to match the intake area on the heads.

You would also have to make modified fuel rails and a thrttle linkage set and all the components that run to those areas. Standalone is also a must as it wont run without it. So using MSNS or some type of Fuel/Spark ecu would help here as well as probably running a AFPR. You also have to look into a descent filtration system as you cannot run open stacks.

All in all, it would take some work and some decent coin, but hell would it sound rad and give you insane throttle response and performance.

Cy · Post by Cy » January 29th, 2007, 9:30 pm

a plenum....Pfft....

Tea-strainer's my friend... Super fine stainless mess and from 1-3" in diameter...

Finer then this one...

http://www.metal-wire-mesh.com/wire-mes ... -discs.htm
Bolt on .... to clean...unbolt and put em in the dishwasher...

kiwi_MX3 · Post by **kiwi_MX3** » January 30th, 2007, 12:21 am

solo_ryder wrote:There is definately some benifit and some gains to be had, the most powerful upgrade you can for a N/A motor (K series at least) IMO. The thing is though, it wouldnt be cool on a k8 cause the cost to get a setup like that and a standalone system would be to much, even if you can make your own plentum to mount the ITB's to. Better off to get a ZE then cause you'll make more power with a ZE then a k8 with a ITB setup.

However, if you were to do that setup on a ZE or DE then your talking. You have to keep in mind there is alot of custom work to be done to make something like this work because there are obviously no systems available for our cars. You would need to source out some higher end crotch rocket ITB's like Hyabusa or R1/GSX-R750/1000 ITB's and then have a aluminum plentum made up to match the intake area on the heads.

You would also have to make modified fuel rails and a thrttle linkage set and all the components that run to those areas. Standalone is also a must as it wont run without it. So using MSNS or some type of Fuel/Spark ecu would help here as well as probably running a AFPR. You also have to look into a descent filtration system as you cannot run open stacks.

All in all, it would take some work and some decent coin, but hell would it sound rad and give you insane throttle response and performance.

Ummm Sorry NO is the answer

peaple on this board are making more at the wheels with a stock
setup than his guy at the flywheel.

and also modeling this system on a engine dyno has proved to me its a
waste of time and money, as the KLZE is more responsive to a single
plane mainafold and that fits under the hood ( barely in my case ) where
as IR runners have to be at least 18" before getting close to the single
plane with runners of 10"

mx3autozam · Post by **mx3autozam** » January 30th, 2007, 1:26 am

How about leo323..he gained alot from doing it

kiwi_MX3 · Post by **kiwi_MX3** » January 30th, 2007, 3:22 am

Aha, Sorry bit of hunting about and using google

leo323 230.55 hp on a dynojet. can't tell if its fhp or whp

solo_ryder · Post by **solo_ryder** » January 30th, 2007, 11:55 am

kiwi_MX3 wrote:Aha, Sorry bit of hunting about and using google

leo323 230.55 hp on a dynojet. can't tell if its fhp or whp

230hp, if that is Fly or WHP what does it matter, that is more then anyone is running with the stock manifold. That does not really serve justice for me, I do not see how a set of ITB's can make less hp then a acctually manifold if paried properly with a good tunning and fuel system.

I know for a fact that on honda platforms you can make at least 10+ whp with these setups, so why would it be any different for a KL? If 2 plentums do not work well then why not intergrate into one. It is not like this is done on every 100th car like you see on a Honda, it is a rare setup on our cars and maybe people just don't know what they are doing.

Also, you do not have to respond to my post with your cocky comment either, be abit more civil.

kiwi_MX3 · Post by **kiwi_MX3** » January 30th, 2007, 3:32 pm

solo_ryder wrote:
kiwi_MX3 wrote:Aha, Sorry bit of hunting about and using google

leo323 230.55 hp on a dynojet. can't tell if its fhp or whp
230hp, if that is Fly or WHP what does it matter, that is more then anyone is running with the stock manifold. That does not really serve justice for me, I do not see how a set of ITB's can make less hp then a acctually manifold if paried properly with a good tunning and fuel system.

I know for a fact that on honda platforms you can make at least 10+ whp with these setups, so why would it be any different for a KL? If 2 plentums do not work well then why not intergrate into one. It is not like this is done on every 100th car like you see on a Honda, it is a rare setup on our cars and maybe people just don't know what they are doing.

Also, you do not have to respond to my post with your cocky comment either, be abit more civil.

to quote part of your post would be unfair but anyway at least i did do
the leg work.

however you quote " If 2 plentums do not work well then why not intergrate into one."

That is a single plane mainafold which I state that i use in a post above

"and also modeling this system on a engine dyno has proved to me its a
waste of time and money, as the KLZE is more responsive to a single
plane mainafold and that fits under the hood ( barely in my case ) where
as IR runners have to be at least 18" before getting close to the single
plane with runners of 10"

solo_ryder · Post by **solo_ryder** » January 30th, 2007, 3:35 pm

I stand corrected on that, but I still do not see any real negative benifits from doing a setup like this if you want to go N/A, that is besides the filtration and custom owrk aspect. I see nothing but gains with this system.

kiwi_MX3 · Post by **kiwi_MX3** » January 30th, 2007, 5:24 pm

The only aspect that i can't swallow is the cost of the throttle bodies
as a kiwi dollar at the moment buys 0.65c US

add shipping and customs and getting the right bodies as well

as to the rest of it i have Cad drawings for the base plates and can get
CNC water cut and have the tooling to extrude the square ports in
stainless.

capamx3 · Post by **capamx3** » March 29th, 2007, 8:53 am

We are working on a single-runner-throttlebody-system for the K8....but we´ve some problems to solve but i think we are on a good way...therefore we don´t use parts which were to buy...it would finally everything made with our blood and our sweat!