Xtreme vertical door company Q&A

bgracing · Post by **bgracing** » February 7th, 2007, 5:24 pm

Hey,

Yes that is correct, on the 90 Degree you can set how high the doors open vertically and how far the doors open horizontally.

As for the Non-90 Degree Kit, you can only set how far you want it to open horizontally.

Thanks,
Kyle Wesley
Xtreme-Doors

93_4Banger · Post by **93_4Banger** » February 8th, 2007, 1:30 am

this sounds like a deadly kit. I just recently received the news that i am putting my mx back on the road soo i would not mind getting these lambo doors. I PM'd you Jarid

cjthor · Post by **cjthor** » February 8th, 2007, 1:14 pm

93_4Banger wrote:this sounds like a deadly kit. I just recently received the news that i am putting my mx back on the road soo i would not mind getting these lambo doors. I PM'd you Jarid

I PMed you back. We have the five that are needed for the buy. any more is icing on the cake.

Tempus · Post by **Tempus** » February 8th, 2007, 4:00 pm

cjthor wrote:
bgracing wrote:Hey,

The doors can open from 0 - 45 Degrees horizontally before they go up. You set how far you want the doors to open horizontally before they go up.

Thanks,
Kyle Wesley
Xtreme-Doors
so on the 90 degree kit you can set how far the open horizontally AND vertically? Sweet!

Actually (and Kyle correct me if I have this wrong) but based on our conversation yesterday, the 90deg kit has TWO horizontal adjustments.. one for limiting travel in a pure horizontal mode, and another for when the door is going vertical.

I have to ask, is there really any advantage to the 'non-90' kit over the 90 kit? it seems like the latter is a much more refined product with a lot more room to adjust it to behave just the way the user wants.. I have to wonder, given the relatively small cost difference, why would anyone go with the non-90 kit?

Given a good chance to have a chat with Kyle, I'm back in the hunt here.. it's really just a question to me of if I go for the powered kit or not. Waiting on an answer to the time it takes for the doors to open or close (vertical mode) with the powered kit.

ovendenk · Post by **ovendenk** » February 8th, 2007, 4:36 pm

bgracing wrote:Yes that is correct, on the 90 Degree you can set how high the doors open vertically and how far the doors open horizontally.

kyle, does this mean that we can essentially set the angle of the fully open to anything from 0 to 90 degrees? essentially implying that we can turn it into a 60 degree kit if we wanted?

also, where are the adjustments for the hroizontal and vertical? can we make quick adjustments or do we need to peel back the fender to adjust everytime?

thanks.

bgracing · Post by **bgracing** » February 8th, 2007, 5:04 pm

Hey,

Here are the answers to the questions Tempus asked:

That is correct . There is a horizontal adjustment point on the hinge as well as one on the backing plate. The horizontal adjustment point on the backing plate is adjusted to determine how far the door will stick out horizontally when in the vertical position. Depending on how this is adjusted, it would allow you to have your standard horizontal adjustment set to open up the full 45 degrees standard style, then when you lift the door vertically, you could pull it in so that it stands straight up instead of hanging to the side. Essentially tho, the two should be adjusted to compliment each other so that they create a "pinch point" which will keep the doors secured from moving side to side when in the upright position.

There is really no advantage to the Non-90 Kit over the 90 Degree kit. We simply the offer the Non-90 Degree Kit as some people out there know they would rather just stick to not going 90 Degrees so they purchase the Non-90 Degree kits. Also, the 90 Degree kits looks different than what most people in the Lambo Door Market are use to so they opt for the Non-90 Degree Kit. The 90 Degree Kit does offer a lot more room for adjustment as you can set your doors to open from 0-90 Degrees.

As for the time it takes to open the doors vertically with the Power Option, I am just waiting for a response from our Linear Actuator supplier and then I will post the answer.

And here is the answer to Ovendenk's question :

Yes, that is exactly what it means. The 90 Degree kit is FULLY adjustable to allow you to set your doors to open to ANY angle vertically between 0-90 Degrees. So yes, you could turn the 90 Degree kit into a 60 Degree kit any time you wanted.

As for the horizontal and Vertical Adjustment points, they are located on the hinge which you will be able to easily adjust without removing the fender. Just simply open your door partially and you will have access to the adjustment screws on the hinge which will allow you to make quick adjustments to your kit.

I hope this answers all of the questions and if there are any more, please feel free to post them.

Thanks,
Kyle Wesley
Xtreme-Doors

93_4Banger · Post by **93_4Banger** » February 9th, 2007, 2:17 am

i dont know how to word this but ive paid my deposit and im going for the 60 degree non motorized kit soo i essentially have 300 left not including the shipping. even if the kit is ready to be shipped can i hold off until i have the funds or do i have to act immediately.

I know you wont ship without all the funds in hand but im in no hurry but just neeeded the put the deposit down for this good deal.

bgracing · Post by **bgracing** » February 9th, 2007, 7:11 am

Hey,

Just paying the deposit right now is all that is required. The prototype will be ready 2 weeks after all the deposits are it, then the finished products will be ready to ship a week after that. That 3rd week after the deposits have been paid is when the rest of the money is due and we will ship the kits as the payments come in.

Thanks,
Kyle Wesley
Xtreme-Doors

93_4Banger · Post by **93_4Banger** » February 9th, 2007, 1:05 pm

alrite that will work im pretty excited to be the first group of people in North America with this kit.

bgracing · Post by **bgracing** » February 9th, 2007, 10:26 pm

Ok, I have the information about the Linear Actuators and their opening speed.

They open at a rate of 0.5 inches a second so for the 90 Degree Kit to Fully open the 90 Degrees it would take 16 seconds as the stroke needed to open the fully 90 Degrees is 8 inches.

Thanks,
Kyle Wesley
Xtreme-Doors

cjthor · Post by **cjthor** » February 10th, 2007, 12:27 pm

so 8 seconds up and 8 seconds down or 16 seconds up?

bgracing · Post by **bgracing** » February 10th, 2007, 1:10 pm

Hey,

It is 16 seconds up and 16 second down. That is depending on how high you want the doors to open.

Thanks,
Kyle Wesley
Xtreme-Doors

Tempus · Post by **Tempus** » February 11th, 2007, 1:41 am

How much travel of the actuator till the door is at the 60 degree point?

How loud are they?

(the obvious answer to the first question would be to assume that it's 2/3 of what it takes to go 90, but depending on the angles and orientation in someting like this, the obvious answer is not always the right answer, hence why I am asking)

16 seconds is a bit slow for my taste. I guess this is really a case where I'd want to see one in action. Also depends at what point the door is far enough open to exit the car easily. If that happens at the second point, it's not nearly so bad as say the 12 second point.

But seriously, just go stand by your car and think "I want to get in now" and then time say 12 to 16 seconds before you'd be able to do so.. I suppose that's not so bad if you can hit a remote when you are still 20 feet from the car, and the doors do part of the opening while you walk up. But then think of the reverse, where you are sitting in the car, 'I want to close the door and leave now" and you have to wait 15 seconds or so to do that. (especially since I have little doubt that moving the car with the door in the up position, or anywhere inbetween is going to tend to place stresses on the system that it's not really designed for.

I'd ask if there are other actuator options, but I imagine that you've evaluated different actuators and this is the best one for the job given the space requirements, strength neededm cost etc.

bgracing · Post by **bgracing** » February 11th, 2007, 1:46 pm

Hey,

For the Linear actuator to open the door to the 60 Degree point it requires between 4-5.5 inches of travel. Also, they are not very loud. You will only hear a low hum from the electric motors. The 2/3 of what it takes to get to 90 Degree is close, but the door follows an arc with can throw off that calcution a bit.

As for the time, while it may be slow, the automatic upgrade is more suited to show cars as opposed to daily drivers. If you do not mind waiting for the door to open then you will love the automatic upgrade. Also, the door at 60 degrees vertical will give you more than enough room to exit the vehicle. so at 60 Degrees, it would take roughly half the time it would take to open 90 Degrees.

Also, you would be waiting mostly for the door to open when you are in the car, when you are out of the car you can hit the buttons to open the doors before you are even ready to get in. Also, while the door can be open vertically when moving, it is not suggested that you do so.

As for other actuator options, we can get actuators from stroke lengths of 2" all the way to 12". However, we have chosen to use the linear actuators that we do because of the quality, cost, strength and function. We feel this is the best one on the market.

Let me know if there are any other questions. Also, as the prototype kit is developed, we will be posting pics to show the progress of it.

Thanks,
Kyle Wesley
Xtreme-Doors

Tempus · Post by **Tempus** » February 12th, 2007, 12:17 pm

So between 8-11 seconds or so before you'd be able to get out of the car then.. (I imagine that 60 degrees is about the practical point where you have the clearance you need to egress).

Still going to require some thinking.. and maybe even a bit of play acting with a stopwatch, to see how I feel about it. (I hear some of you laughing, but hey this is not only a $500(US aprox) decision, but it's also something you'd have to live with once it's on the car unless you wanted to strip it off..

SO, if we are ordering the 90 degree kit, and are contemplating the power option, what is our deadline for telling your which it is..

I wish you had a video of the powered kit in action, I'd really like to see that.