KLZE: PGT Vs. MX-3

lakersfan1 · Post by **lakersfan1** » January 20th, 2006, 10:03 am

Slammed6 wrote: If you go past 7000 RPM at high speed, that idiotic.

Fine. I'm an idiot. But then you're a pansy.

slimmyslim1420 · Post by **slimmyslim1420** » January 22nd, 2006, 4:50 pm

I had my ze with LSD mx-6 tranny to 8000 rpm and I was still making plenty of power this was in second gear with 6 bad plugs and shot wires. When I had my 1.8 I hit 130 on the interstate at 5500rpm with someone else in the car, so I don't think 9 mph would add 1500rpm.

just wanted to add, with the 1.8 I had 3 bad piston rings. I used about a quart and a half of oil a week.

FlyVFR · Post by **FlyVFR** » January 22nd, 2006, 7:28 pm

slimmyslim1420 wrote:I had my ze with LSD mx-6 tranny to 8000 rpm and I was still making plenty of power this was in second gear with 6 bad plugs and shot wires. When I had my 1.8 I hit 130 on the interstate at 5500rpm with someone else in the car, so I don't think 9 mph would add 1500rpm.

just wanted to add, with the 1.8 I had 3 bad piston rings. I used about a quart and a half of oil a week.

LMAO.....

Gro Harlem · Post by **Gro Harlem** » January 22nd, 2006, 7:55 pm

as pretty much proven already by previous replies.

The probe would be "faster" in terms of top-speed because of its taller wheel/tire combo.

The MX would accelerate quicker b/c of its lighter weight & shorter overall gearing (in combination with the smaller wheel/tire combo).

Overall the MX3 pwnz the PGT, MX6 LS, etc b/c:

1: In stock form it is at LEAST 200 lbs lighter (later model PGT/MX6 weigh drastically more than earlier models).

2: It has a quicker-ratio euro-spec steering rack, shorter wheelbase & similar track width...thus making its platform a superior handler from the factory w/more potential

3: It looks better

den · Post by **den** » March 2nd, 2006, 12:55 pm

I know this thread is more than a month old but I just wanna add something. Why you guys weren't mentioning the wind resistance... I think that has a major effect on a car's speed.

The question is which of the 2 cars has better aerodynamics? MX3 OR PGT?
(IMO mx3 would be faster)

Slammed6 · Post by **Slammed6** » March 2nd, 2006, 4:12 pm

which has the taller gearing, auto or manual?

The automatics are geared way higher....approximately 170-180 MPH or more depending on the year.

Fine. I'm an idiot. But then you're a pansy

What was that for?? Whatever u wanna say, its one thing to go to 7500 RPM in 1st gear, cause you are there for a split second, as opposed to going from 7000-7500 RPM in 5th gear where it probably takes you 30 seconds. Thats a big difference as far as stress on the motor.

wepeo · Post by **wepeo** » March 2nd, 2006, 4:39 pm

Gro Harlem wrote:as pretty much proven already by previous replies.

The probe would be "faster" in terms of top-speed because of its taller wheel/tire combo.

The MX would accelerate quicker b/c of its lighter weight & shorter overall gearing (in combination with the smaller wheel/tire combo).

Overall the MX3 pwnz the PGT, MX6 LS, etc b/c:

1: In stock form it is at LEAST 200 lbs lighter (later model PGT/MX6 weigh drastically more than earlier models).

2: It has a quicker-ratio euro-spec steering rack, shorter wheelbase & similar track width...thus making its platform a superior handler from the factory w/more potential

3: It looks better

here here

kiwi_MX3 · Post by **kiwi_MX3** » March 2nd, 2006, 4:47 pm

Hang on a minute,

Ship the probe down here and let me have a go at it.
Id whip its a-- and send it back a whipped and beaten
broken car.......

ghandi1492 · Post by **ghandi1492** » March 2nd, 2006, 4:48 pm

what are the drag coefficients for each...

isnt the mx-3 at 0.32 ??

Slammed6 · Post by **Slammed6** » March 2nd, 2006, 5:30 pm

I found the Probe at .31 and the MX-3 at .33 for drag coefficients

Aston Wards · Post by **Aston Wards** » March 2nd, 2006, 7:51 pm

kiwi_MX3 wrote:Hang on a minute,

Ship the probe down here and let me have a go at it.
Id whip its a-- and send it back a whipped and beaten
broken car.......

We actually have Probes here, it's the god-awful car your hair-dresser probably drives!

kiwi_MX3 · Post by **kiwi_MX3** » March 2nd, 2006, 9:12 pm

Aston Wards wrote:
kiwi_MX3 wrote:Hang on a minute,

Ship the probe down here and let me have a go at it.
Id whip its a-- and send it back a whipped and beaten
broken car.......
We actually have Probes here, it's the god-awful car your hair-dresser probably drives!

Actully i hav quite a soft spot for the shape of the probe and thats
about it really. and no my hair dresser drives a toyota van.

Aston Wards · Post by **Aston Wards** » March 2nd, 2006, 11:36 pm

a soft spot for probes eh?

no-one's probing my soft spot!

Hey Kiwi, what do you think of the KJ? surely someone of your talents could get one to fit an MX3

kiwi_MX3 · Post by **kiwi_MX3** » March 3rd, 2006, 5:51 pm

The KJ is "phyicaly" just to large to fit into the MX3 unless you where
to go RWD with it, a KJ into a MX5 would be intersting.

The KLZE is capable of producing 300Hp at the flywheel with
a Cam and intake and exhaust mainafold change, along with a
aftermarket ecu.

Porting the KLZE hurts power, you only need to remove the vavle
guides bump's and tidy the divider, on both intake and exhaust side.

a MSD AL6? ignition system with the KLZE is a must!

Im afraid peaple on the board are just going to have to sit and wait
a few more months before my motor turns a crank in anger since
im now out of a job, and no more acess to a machineshop as such.

And i cannot rent out my place in the state thats it is in sorry i think
paint and wallpaper and yea a wall or two might be nice!

Personally i can't wait for the Familia to fry those hondas at the nightwars
the power to weight is going to be Evil to say the least along with a host
of mods to the syspenion system. gearbox and drive shafts, there are a
lot of little things that add up in the long run.

Aston Wards · Post by **Aston Wards** » March 4th, 2006, 12:29 am

No mate, you've got the KJ (miller cycle 2.3) confused with the engine from the 929/Sentia, the KJ is the same block as the K8 etc, similar dimensions except of course the height....

so you didn't keep your job eh? bummer

no access to a machine shop...., double-bummer!