Some Newby KLZE Questions.

[IMACHU2]

I bought a 94 Mazda 323 as the start to my project. I plan on buying a MX-3 V6 parts car which should have all the parts I need to physically put a KLZE in to my 323. I plan on putting the whole MX-3 wiring harness into the 323 too.

My questions:
Can I use the MX-3 VAF and computer with the KLZE??

If so can I use one of these fix-all E-bay computer chips? Has anybody tried them?

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Ford-Probe-Mazda-MX6 ... dZViewItem" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks for the help. I am an old guy that is used to V8's and carbs.

[Nd4SpdSe]

Yes, it'll work, but work really rich. However, a KLZE KL31 and KL36 ECU is perfectly matched with the Mx-3's stock JE50 VAF

The only tried-tested-and-true chip is a Probinator. That may work, it could literally be a Probinator copy too, but would you want to take that risk with something that's literally controlling your motor?

[mx3boyze]

Yea, You deffinatly need a probinator chip and I have one!! For a Curved Neck ZE if your interested PM me. $10 shipped if you need one. Also Deffinatly keep us posted on the ZE swap. I love seeing a ZE in a 323 or anything for that matter haha

[IMACHU2]

Well looks like the Probinator chip would be just as easy to get as the mystery E-bay chip.

So Nd4SpdSe let me get this straight, the MX-3 V6 computer and stock MX-3 V6 VAF will run rich, but if I add the probeinator chip, it should run the curved neck KLZE without issue and in the proper air / fuel ratio ball park??? I will check into the KLZE KL31 and KL36 ECU's too. One of my employees did a KLZE swap into his MX-6 back in the day and the KLZE computer was big bucks, I assume they are cheaper and easier to get then they were say 8 years ago?? LOL

Thanks for the offer mx3boyze for the chip, but I think for a the few extra bucks I will just send my ECU in and have someone more electronically talented (then me) solder in the chip. Or I will get a KLZE computer. (I thougt the VAF and the ECU had to come from the same car and that sounded expensive).

http://www.performanceprobe.com/store/i ... t=PRKLZE25" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks for all the help guys.

[Nd4SpdSe]

Ya, basically when you put in a Probinator, your literally replacing the chip in the ECU that controls the fuel maps and VRIS points, so it's not a trick or a bypass, your literally putting in a new chip with the new configuation, and you can put that chip into any compatible Mx-3/Mx-6/626/Probe ECU.

When you order your Probinator ECU, you tell him what your running for motor and what intake manifold and he'll program it accordingly. ZE ECU's are still up there, but have dropped a bit in value. There's currently one for sale for $90:
http://www.mx-3.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66925" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I've heard mixed opinions about the Probinator about passing emission test, but I know from my experience on my car that it ran richer, but it also feel better and has a broader powerband since the VRIS points are corrected for the curved neck IM.

Yes, you have to match the ECU and VAF. There's a few tricks like running a KL02 (KLDE) VAF on a K8 ECU and it seems to work well for what I've heard. The JE50 VAF that comes on the V6 Mx-3 is the proper (yes indeed) ECU for the KLZE ECUs.

I did my own Probinator, it's not bad, but on mine, becuase the ECUs are old, despite how well i desoldered it and several traces tore up with the chip. I wasn't too happy about that and I was easilly able to repair it, but most who aren't electronically inclined may not or may not be comfortable with that.

[IMACHU2]

Thanks for all the info! Looking just to build a fun daily driver as I already have a money pit race car LOL. The 323 will be a Mustang holiday project. I need something mechanical to play with at all times, and right now I am feeling the urge to burn the Mustang, so I decided to play with Mazda's for a while. My 460000KM 323 4cyl and I get along fine. I provide the odd gas fill up and regular maintenance and it gets me everywhere I want to go. It would be the perfect car if it were if it were 3 1/2" seconds quicker in the quarter mile.....so I bought my 323 an evil twin. I am going to keep the 4cyl 323 for the winter, drive the klze 323 daily and drive the Mustang (when it is working) on Sundays.

The Pit
http://www.flickr.com/photos/shockwave_ ... 181792958/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My beloved 323
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s309 ... /MAZDA.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[IMACHU2]

Woo-who!! Picked up project 323 KLZE today. It is not a bad car for $500.00! I can't wait to tear it into ten million pieces!

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s309 ... newrod.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s309 ... NEW323.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(The chick I bought it off of pictures off Kijji). Future pictures will have the whole car in the frame.

[projectzemx3]

sweet! some crazy guy with a ze 323 on nitrous at the track was running a 13 something..... 323's are sweet get a mx3 ecu chipped by probinator

[2RotorsNaDream]

There was a guy here running 13s with a ZE without nitrous or anything. Theyre pretty light cars. I've seen guys here run high 12s with ZEs and nitrous on MX-3s so I'd say the 323 is easily capable of mid to low 12s depending on the shot of nitrous you use.

[hgallegos915]

WOW.. i think the next best thing to do is a ze 323


If i find a shell. Ill probably do that! and wap my turbo set up.

[IMACHU2]

The jury is still out on if 323's weight that much less then MX-3's. My research shows 2189LBS for a 323 and 2532lbs for a MX-3 V6. The 4cyl MX-3 weights 2336lbs. So using quick and dirty math, a 323 should be 147 pounds lighter. In the 14-13 second quarter mile area every 100lbs is a tenth of a second. So a klze 323 would be roughly .15 seconds quicker then an KLZE Mx-3. I know some guys that would sell their mother for a tenth, but in reality it is a poop load of work for little gain. My reasons are that I have a ten year old son and I like him, so I don't want to subject him to the back seat of a MX-3 The Mx-3 is also a very stylish heat score, while the 323 is nearly invisible to law enforcement types. A KLZE 323 is not a new idea, but they are pretty few and far between so they are a little weird / unique, (kinda like me). I have seen stock KLZE powered by 323's run mid 13's on street tires. The idea of having a daily driven mid 13 second family car with Mazda engineered reliability is one of the main reasons for my build. The whole build will cost less then the cylinder heads on my Mustang LOL

One of my inspirations (some dudes car)
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/323- ... _65715.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Ryan]

that thing got whipped by mostly every car.

[Nd4SpdSe]

Ah sweet man you're in guelph

[IMACHU2]

Yep, us Guelpites call it the G-spot though Hey Nd4SpdSe what track do you race at??

[2RotorsNaDream]

The jury is still out on if 323's weight that much less then MX-3's. My research shows 2189LBS for a 323 and 2532lbs for a MX-3 V6. The 4cyl MX-3 weights 2336lbs. So using quick and dirty math, a 323 should be 147 pounds lighter. In the 14-13 second quarter mile area every 100lbs is a tenth of a second. So a klze 323 would be roughly .15 seconds quicker then an KLZE Mx-3.

You're forgetting the fact that the KLZE swap goes into a V6 MX-3 and not a 4 cylinder. And a V6 MX-3 weighs 2580lbs so its a 400lb difference which is a .4 second ¼ mile difference, which is huge.