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proof that 1=2

Posted: June 1st, 2006, 4:47 pm
by Bochek
a = b
a^2 = a*b
a^2-b^2 = a*b-b^2
(a+b)(a-b) = b(a-b)
(a+b) = b
a+a = a
2a = a
2 = 1


id like to see you figgure that one out

Bochek

Posted: June 1st, 2006, 4:56 pm
by Custommx3
LOL man thats old!

Posted: June 1st, 2006, 4:59 pm
by Bochek
Custommx3 wrote:LOL man thats old!
just dont give it away for thoes who cant get it.

Bochek

Posted: June 1st, 2006, 6:49 pm
by ariesdude
Good to see this old thing still making rounds - we used to do things like this in the 8th grade i think.

Another really simple one
(x-a)(x-b).......(x-z) = 0

Re: proof that 1=2

Posted: June 1st, 2006, 10:55 pm
by Nd4SpdSe
Wouldn't it be proof that 2=1 (I'm more than one way ;))

I don't know if there's some hidden message that your Implying (that I'm not seeing), but for the math, it's been many years since I've worked with it, it basically all makes sence, except for this part:
Bochek wrote: a^2-b^2 = a*b-b^2

Re: proof that 1=2

Posted: June 1st, 2006, 11:04 pm
by Bochek
Nd4SpdSe wrote:Wouldn't it be proof that 2=1 (I'm more than one way ;))

I don't know if there's some hidden message that your Implying (that I'm not seeing), but for the math, it's been many years since I've worked with it, it basically all makes sence, except for this part:
Bochek wrote: a^2-b^2 = a*b-b^2
no that still makes sence, remember A=B so if you assign a number to A, lets say 2 then A and B = 2

so then its just

2^2-2^2=2*2-2^2
witch is
4-4=4-4
wich is
0=0
wich is true.

Bochek

Posted: June 2nd, 2006, 12:05 am
by Vanished
it all works with subsitution of real numbers until you get to

a+b=b

because, if a=2 like you said, and a=b, then the equation is

2+2=2
4=2
2=0

same thing with a+a=a...then there is

2a=a

2(2)=2
4=2
2=0

so your actually proving that 2=zero, if infact a and b equal 2.

Therefore this formula proves that any given value that is subsituted into these equation will end up equal to zero. If 4=a and b, then 4=0. same with 5, 6,7,8,9, whatever.

Now, if your going by simply manipulating the variables, then lets turn b into a

then,

a = a
a^2 = a*a < - also known as a^2, so a^2=a^2
a^2-a^2 = a*a-a^2 <- also known as a^2-a^2=a^2-a^2 and finaly0a=0a
(a+a)(a-a) = a(a-a) <- (2a)(0)=a(0) which is again, 0+0
a+a = a <-2a = a or if you minute a from each side, then a=0

a is the variable, therefore anygiven variable=0

an you can't devide by a variable, that would be improper because you are remouving a variable.

FOol

Posted: June 2nd, 2006, 3:01 am
by mr1in6billion
Vanished wrote: so your actually proving that 2=zero, if infact a and b equal 2.

Therefore this formula proves that any given value that is subsituted into these equation will end up equal to zero. If 4=a and b, then 4=0. same with 5, 6,7,8,9, whatever.

Now, if your going by simply manipulating the variables, then lets turn b into a

then,

a = a
a^2 = a*a < - also known as a^2, so a^2=a^2
a^2-a^2 = a*a-a^2 <- also known as a^2-a^2=a^2-a^2 and finaly0a=0a
(a+a)(a-a) = a(a-a) <- (2a)(0)=a(0) which is again, 0+0
a+a = a <-2a = a or if you minute a from each side, then a=0

a is the variable, therefore anygiven variable=0

an you can't devide by a variable, that would be improper because you are remouving a variable.

FOol
ummm.. your on the right track for all the wrong reasons.

if 4=2, then you know you have a false statement, and any result is invalid. You could argue (like you said):
4-2=2-2 leads to 2=0
but at the same time
4/2=2/2 which ends with 2=1, both of which are false.

Also, A is not neccicarily a variable. It is assumed to be an unknown constant, but even if it was a variable, there is no reason you can't divide by it. Division of variables is used all the time to reduce multivariable equations down to a single variable that can then be solved for.

Posted: June 2nd, 2006, 7:13 am
by Bochek
mr1in6billion wrote:
Vanished wrote: so your actually proving that 2=zero, if infact a and b equal 2.

Therefore this formula proves that any given value that is subsituted into these equation will end up equal to zero. If 4=a and b, then 4=0. same with 5, 6,7,8,9, whatever.

Now, if your going by simply manipulating the variables, then lets turn b into a

then,

a = a
a^2 = a*a < - also known as a^2, so a^2=a^2
a^2-a^2 = a*a-a^2 <- also known as a^2-a^2=a^2-a^2 and finaly0a=0a
(a+a)(a-a) = a(a-a) <- (2a)(0)=a(0) which is again, 0+0
a+a = a <-2a = a or if you minute a from each side, then a=0

a is the variable, therefore anygiven variable=0

an you can't devide by a variable, that would be improper because you are remouving a variable.

FOol
ummm.. your on the right track for all the wrong reasons.

if 4=2, then you know you have a false statement, and any result is invalid. You could argue (like you said):
4-2=2-2 leads to 2=0
but at the same time
4/2=2/2 which ends with 2=1, both of which are false.

Also, A is not neccicarily a variable. It is assumed to be an unknown constant, but even if it was a variable, there is no reason you can't divide by it. Division of variables is used all the time to reduce multivariable equations down to a single variable that can then be solved for.

Your on the right track with this idea.

Bochek

Posted: June 2nd, 2006, 9:08 am
by happyclown
This reminds me of the Women = Evil proof:

women = time + money
>since time is money
women = money^2
>since money is the root of all evil
women = sqrt(evil)^2
>sqrt() to the power of 2 cancles
Women = Evil

:wink:

Posted: June 2nd, 2006, 2:22 pm
by Vanished
i love that equation...its so amazing, and so true.

Posted: June 2nd, 2006, 10:21 pm
by Bochek
so no one can figgure out how 1=2?

Bochek

Posted: June 2nd, 2006, 10:23 pm
by ariesdude
happyclown wrote:This reminds me of the Women = Evil proof:

women = time + money
>since time is money
women = money^2
>since money is the root of all evil
women = sqrt(evil)^2
>sqrt() to the power of 2 cancles
Women = Evil

:wink:
For this to work out - it should be
women = time * money
not
women = time + money

Posted: June 3rd, 2006, 1:31 am
by mr1in6billion
Bochek wrote:so no one can figgure out how 1=2?

Bochek
It only took my a min to get. I stared at it for a min and couldn't get it at first, but if you write out all the steps it's obvious why it's false.

(( how come there are no spoiler tags here? ))

Re: proof that 1=2

Posted: June 30th, 2006, 7:15 pm
by Custom_V6_Limited_SE
Bochek wrote:a = b
a^2 = a*b
a^2-b^2 = a*b-b^2
(a+b)(a-b) = b(a-b)
(a+b) = b
a+a = a
2a = a
2 = 1


id like to see you figgure that one out

Bochek
The problem comes when you devide both sides by (a-b); because, if a=b, then a-b=0. Thus, you are dividing both sides of the equation by zero which automatically makes the equation undefined.

So, here is a better way of looking at it.

a = b
a^2 = a*b
a^2-b^2 = a*b-b^2
(a+b)(a-b) = b(a-b)
(a+b)(0) = b(0)
0 = 0