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When I go to Mosport in July to camp for a race weekend to watch the American Lemans and Star Mazda races, 2 free tickets courtesy of Mazda Canada, included with a diner Saturday with Mazda and Mazda Motorsports. Oh, ya, cause I'm a troll that know nothing, but I'm somehow managed to have a well known reputation through the local car communities all the way to Mazda themselves...weird. When I go to ALMS in about 2 weeks, I'll ask the drivers for ya. I'm sure the Star Mazda cars probably don't have PS, but I'll ask the modified production cars, get first hand information from the pits for ya of the drivers and the cars.

Josh wrote:Ok your steering is still mechanical, even with Power assist. Power Steering is mechanical and power assisted.

No, it's not. Power steering is Hydraulic, not mechanical.

Josh wrote:all Homologation means it it has to be an approved system.

"Homologation is a technical term, derived from the Greek homologeo (ὁμολογέω) for "to agree", which is generally used in English to signify the granting of approval by an official authority. This may be a court of law, a government department, or an academic or professional body, any of which would normally work from a set of strict rules or standards to determine whether such approval should be given"

Then followed with this directed towards motor sports

"In motorsports a vehicle must be homologated by the sanctioning body to race in a given league, such as NASCAR, World Superbikes, International Level Kart Racing or other sportscar racing series.
Where a racing class requires that the cars raced be production vehicles only slightly adapted for racing, manufacturers typically produce a limited run of such vehicles for public sale so that they can legitimately race them in the class. These cars are commonly called "homologation specials"."

so yah, it just means that they govern what you can and cannot use. Doesn't imply that you cannot have PS.

What??? Who said anything about homologation? I highlighted what was important on my quote of the regs. The rest was just quoted for context. Why do you now want to deviate the discussion?

Josh wrote:And power steering takes no control away from the driver, so why does this justify the elimination of power steering? I never mentioned F1 did I

That only shows you're not a racer, or at least you don't know the real difference between road racing with and without PS. Power Steering takes MOST of the control away from the driver. Especially the technology you find on street cars.
And yes, you never mentioned F1. You mentioned Ferrari, a company that was born, and LIVES, because of F1.

Josh wrote:I am still laughing, mainly because anyone can pull things off of Google, I just don't see where you think its ok to tell others they are wrong because your 46 years old, built your firs whatever at 8 and for some reason think age means something when it comes to knowledge, when your not 100% correct either. So I laugh and chuckle humbly to myself, because most of us on here have done the same. I could go into my history but really what does it matter... it doesn't!

No, age doesn't matter. Experience does. And the fact that I was involved in mechanics 10 years before you were born suggests I may have a little more experience than you, don't you think?
And, "humbly", and "to yourself"? Seriously?
What's so humble about barging into a discussion with the only purpose of ridiculing somebody else, and what's so "to yourself" about doing it on a public forum, especially when you clearly don't know what you're talking about?
And yes, researching on the Internet is very easy. You should've thought about that, before trying to scare me with your "look under the hood of a gt car" crap.

Josh wrote:IT'S ALL A MATTER OF OPINION, AND THUS THIS DEBATE COULD GO ON FOREVER

No, it's not. It's a technical matter.

So where you planning on eliminating just the power steering or the heater core as well? As you ll gain additional weight savings from the removal of the heater core and evaporator not to mention the extra coolant might weigh as much as most of the minor ac components. Just a thought.

Oh wait, I meant removing just the ac, sorry! * *

I wasent going to post again but... U are rite between mechanical and hydraluic systems, I was thinking and referring to a power assisted assembly vs a complete hydraulicly controlled system like you would find in many new cars. Still 5 crank HP.. not worth it IMO

I really need not explain myself to a 46 year old man who refers to a professional motor sports driver as "a racer"

You are rite about one thing for sure, I an not a "true racer". I am an enthusiasts, I do it for fun.

I am here to learn as many are, and I am the first to admit when I'm wrong but with you sir I will agree to disagree on this. As it will only take pages of us bantering back and forth to get our points across. And no one wants to read that much

OP: I think the answer was about 45lbs Haha

Massive threadjacking and humorous mudslinging aside, I believe my question has been answered with a reasonable weight range. Thanks everyone for your contributions, even if the main effect was a smirk on my face =)

Josh wrote:I wasent going to post again but... U are rite between mechanical and hydraluic systems, I was thinking and referring to a power assisted assembly vs a complete hydraulicly controlled system like you would find in many new cars. Still 5 crank HP.. not worth it IMO

Yeah, you weren't, yet you did.
There are3 systems for power steering: hydraulic, electro-hydraulic, and electric (drive by wire). There's never EVER been a mechanical power steering system. Sorry, you need a better excuse.

Josh wrote:I really need not explain myself to a 46 year old man who refers to a professional motor sports driver as "a racer"

Well, like I said before, I'm really sorry if my poor handling of the English language offends you. Yet I fail to see how a person who writes "rite" instead of "right", or "hydraulicly" instead of "hydraulically" can be so picky about the language... or was that just another way you tried to deviate the discussion?
By the way: how does the fact that I'm 46 years old influence the way I should refer to something? Would it be ok for me to refer to a "professional motor sports driver" as "a racer" if I was 20? How about 70?

Josh wrote:You are rite about one thing for sure, I an not a "true racer".

Yeah, I know.
But even enthusiasts look at what professionals do, when they want to get better at it.

Josh wrote:I am here to learn as many are, and I am the first to admit when I'm wrong but with you sir I will agree to disagree on this.

I won't. As I said before, this is a technical matter. There's no room for disagreement here.
And no, you're not the first to admit when you're wrong, and this thread is a clear example of that.

Ok, You are the one trying to attack myself and others. I never stated that I was either correct or incorrect, I only challenged your posts on the elimination of PS.

This has gotten far beyond the OP, and I may be coming off like i don't know what i am talking about, but you are coming off as a D***. I could go into it further and explain myself to you, but it is not worth my time.

Now if you would like to start a separate thread about Power Steering, the Pros/Cons and elimination there of, I could humor you further. Again this is way off topic and should be moved/continued elsewhere.



Quick Google search

13th paragraph down
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/cars/bmw-m3-gt2/
In case you felt like purchasing an award winning power steering assembly that is consistently showing up in winning GT series cars...
http://www.woodwardsteering.eu/
16th paragraph
http://www.biser3a.com/cars/mclaren-mp4 ... -pictures/
This Ferrari 430 GT 2 car rocks an electro-hydraulic power steering system...
http://www.crscuderia.com/crs/2-cars.php

Weird

Josh wrote: but you are coming off as a D***. I could go into it further and explain myself to you, but it is not worth my time.

Maybe I am, but the fact remains that I am the D*** that, from the beginning of the thread, have been trying to help, while you are the nice guy whose first post on the thread was aimed exclusively at demeaning another member (me), have provided absolutely no valid data to support your claims (actually, have bluffed or lied each and every one of them), have twisted your own words when proven wrong, and is now calling other members (once again, me) names. If that's being a nice guy, I'd rather be the D***, anytime.


And no, I don't want to start another thread on power steering. I made my point abundantly clear already.